We Gentiles are running out of time

[mfblume]

Can't deal with verses I quoted can you?

Bait and switch. Bait and switch. Cognitive dissonance. As usual.

[Sean]

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Is there a 2000 year gap (so far) between verse 11 and 12?


12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Time for a preterist meltdown...LOL

[Sean]

Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


Mike, the disciples thought it WAS the end of the world, but in reality, it wasnt.

Prophecies had not yet been fulfilled by the dozens at the time this was written.

I even thought it was nearing the end of the world and got saved in 1979.

If not, I would not have gotten saved.

Many Christians get saved because they think the world will end soon.

HOWEVER, many prophecies(like the dispersion and regathering of Israel) had not happened when Hebrews was written.

There will be NO end of the world until ALL prophecies are fulfilled first!

And yes...Jesus kept the church on watch for His return(which they and us expect to happen ANY day)...


But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only....



Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



And the fact of the matter is, Jesus NEVER returned yet. Neither in Biblical history NOR secular history!(only in preterist imaginational history)

[shazeep]

hmm, i am reminded of how many prophecies concerning Christ were fulfilled in His first coming, that scholars were unable to see; and i am swayed by your view here, mr blume. i have wondered myself if we are not now in the "devil must be loosed for a short season" era; tho i think it more likely we are in the "days of Noah" revisited, with our gene manip, etc. Not sure humans are qualified to answer this.

[Lafon]

Sean, from Post #63
Mike, the disciples thought it WAS the end of the world, but in reality, it wasnt.

Sean, this statement not only represents misguided and ignorant thinking on your part, but stands in stark contrast to the writings of the sacred scriptures which assert otherwise!

In fact, during the 40 days following His resurrection from the dead, a period of time during which Christ Jesus expended in fully explaining every minute detail of those things which the prophets of old had been inspired of God to record concerning Himself, He did, in fact, advise them of what we might rightly call a "general time frame" concerning His return to the earth. However, He did NOT tell them that His return would occur during their genertion, rather that many generations must pass before his return. This is why Peter, on the day of Pentecost in his first sermon, used the term "afar off," implying for many generations to come.

[Sean]

Lafon, gimme a break...

I was 18 and barely understood the Bible.

All I knew was I had a dream I missed the rapture.

It frightened me and the Holy Ghost began to move on me that morning on the way to work.

I was an ignorant Catholic going through a SFT Bible study.(just learning for the first time about the rapture.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Sean, this statement not only represents misguided and ignorant thinking on your part, but stands in stark contrast to the writings of the sacred scriptures which assert otherwise!

Amen and amen!

In fact, during the 40 days following His resurrection from the dead, a period of time during which Christ Jesus expended in fully explaining every minute detail of those things which the prophets of old had been inspired of God to record concerning Himself, He did, in fact, advise them of what we might rightly call a "general time frame" concerning His return to the earth. However, He did NOT tell them that His return would occur during their genertion, rather that many generations must pass before his return. This is why Peter, on the day of Pentecost in his first sermon, used the term "afar off," implying for many generations to come.

amen again. imagine thinking apostles wrote mistaken ideas inspired by the Holy Ghost!

[Abiding Now]

Paul thought the Lord would return in his lifetime.

1Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thess, 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Sean

Lafon, gimme a break...

I was 18 and barely understood the Bible.

All I knew was I had a dream I missed the rapture.

It frightened me and the Holy Ghost began to move on me that morning on the way to work.

I was an ignorant Catholic going through a SFT Bible study.(just learning for the first time about the rapture.

No, Sean, you must look elsewhere for a "break," as you'll receive NONE from me, especially as long as you continue to publish your abundance of outrageous lies regarding the corrupt "doctrine of devils" known as the rapture of the church, regardless of it alleged "timing," whether it be pre, mid, or post tribulational, or any variations therof!

So, you received a dream that you had "missed the rapture," a non-event, but you also failed to understand that unless that dream was "doubled" unto you, then it was NOT from God (see Genesis 41:32). When God conveys a message to a man by means of a dream He ALWAYS "doubles" it, which establishes that the message given is from God. However, the enemy, who always seeks to duplicate everything that God does, also sends us dreams, but NEVER sends it twice!

So apparently your dream was NOT from God, and in fact that is easily proven because its messsage was one that the enemy has been busy for a long, long while in his efforts to deceive the ignorant and unlearned into accepting as if it were the "real deal," when in fact, it is nothing more than his first lie, "Ye shall not surely die," retrieved from the garbage heap of antiquity, attired in a new cloak to make it appear more appealing to the unsuspecting, like yourselves and countless others, and which has been repeated and venerated for so long that it is now commonly embraced as if it were holy and therefore untouchable! To that I can only say HOGWASH! It was a lie at its beginning and it remains a lie still! There will be NO rapture of the church, EVER!

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Paul thought the Lord would return in his lifetime.

1Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thess, 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Your presumptive statement reflects the same attitude of many at Thessalonica upon reading Pau's first letter to them, and it was such misguided thinking that required him to sit down again, in the same year, and write a 2nd letter in an attempt to provide thern with what he apparently hoped would be better understood. Paul penned both of the Thessalonian letters in the year of AD 54, yet we find that some 10 years later, in his letter to the church at Philippi, he did NOT say that he believed the Lord would come again at any moment; quite the contrary. Please note carefully what he wrote (see Philippians 1:21-24):

"For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: YET WHAT I SHALL CHOOSE I WOT NOT."

What was it that Paul desired so greatly, yet was so troubled in mind about? As we continue reading we discover the answer:

"For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you."

By this we do not see Paul saying that he THOUGHT the Lord would return to the earth at any moment, rather that he knew that there would come to pass a moment when he would experience death, at which time his soul would become disembodied and taken to be present with the Lord, where there he, together with others, would remain untik the coming of ther Lord. This is why, when he wrote to the Thessalonian church & said "we that are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord," he was referring ONLY to himself and the others of that group of whom this privilege had been extended.