Why I Am A Futurist - Page 76

shazeep · #**751** 03-09-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

In other words, the way I see it is that man would have never sinned to begin with had he eaten of the fruit of life.

ok, let's take a look at this. you imply that satan--an anomaly in our cliche` of Garden of Eden--had to entice Eve to eat of the bad fruit before she contemplated eating the good, from the tree of life, is this correct?

Esaias · #**752** 03-10-2015, 04:15 AM

What is "knowledge of good and evil"?

Did they not already know good (do what God said) and evil (disobey God)?

After eating their eyes were "opened" and they saw they were naked.

Could it be the "knowledge of good and evil" was not so much a "sudden intellectual understanding of morals and ethics" but rather a LIFE of experiencing "good and evil"... which began with their shame at being naked, trying to cover themselves, hiding from God, etc?

mfblume · #**753** 03-10-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, let's take a look at this. you imply that satan--an anomaly in our cliche` of Garden of Eden--had to entice Eve to eat of the bad fruit before she contemplated eating the good, from the tree of life, is this correct?

I think he enticed her to eat so she'd eat it before she ate the fruit of life. Basically, yes.

Adam would multiply through her. God wanted them to multiply and fill the earth with themselves. Through children. And mankind with God's life in them, filling the earth, would manifest God everywhere. Satan would be thrown out of earth as he was from heaven. And of course he wanted rule of the world which Adam eventually abdicated to him.

So the enemy went after the woman first.

The life was to be in them to manifest through them into the physical realm what God filled in heaven. Images of God on earth ruling earth as God ruled heaven. But ruling with God.

I think the key is to understand the principle of the kingdom today so we can get what it meant back then, because this is a restoration of what was forfeited then.

Everywhere we read JESUS bringing life, and we read of the Pharisees and their legalism that was the greatest threat to people receiving that life. That's the basic principle in the garden.

mfblume · #**754** 03-10-2015, 08:38 AM

All the elements in genesis and the garden are in revelation. We have to read it with that in Mind. Only by comparing bible with bible will we get the truth.

thephnxman · #**755** 03-10-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

All the elements in genesis and the garden are in revelation. We have to read it with that in Mind. Only by comparing bible with bible will we get the truth.

If a man can understand the first three chapters
of Genesis, he will understand much of the Bible.

thephnxman · #**756** 03-10-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

What is "knowledge of good and evil"?
Did they not already know good (do what God said) and evil (disobey God)?
After eating their eyes were "opened" and they saw they were naked.
Could it be the "knowledge of good and evil" was not so much a "sudden intellectual understanding of morals and ethics" but rather a LIFE of experiencing "good and evil"... which began with their shame at being naked, trying to cover themselves, hiding from God, etc?

What has been God's will: to have a holy seed (sons and
daughters) to Himself.

Satan's plan has always been to foil God's plan by corrupting
the seed. (1) Satan tempted the woman, who gave
man of the forbidden fruit; (2) the sons of God were
again tempted, and "...saw the daughters of men...and they
took them wives..."; (3) Balaam told Balak how to curse
God's chosen; by offering them wives from among Balak's people;
and (4) it finally affected the Church, to whom the Lord said,
"...because you are neither hot nor cold...lukewarm...I
will spew you out of my mouth...".

The "...knowledge of good and evil..." is mixing the
things that are holy with the things that are not.

mfblume · #**757** 03-10-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

If a man can understand the first three chapters
of Genesis, he will understand much of the Bible.

Exactly. It's been called the seabed of the bible with harvest reaped in Revelation.

mfblume · #**758** 03-10-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

What has been God's will: to have a holy seed (sons and
daughters) to Himself.

Satan's plan has always been to foil God's plan by corrupting
the seed. (1) Satan tempted the woman, who gave
man of the forbidden fruit; (2) the sons of God were
again tempted, and "...saw the daughters of men...and they
took them wives..."; (3) Balaam told Balak how to curse
God's chosen; by offering them wives from among Balak's people;
and (4) it finally affected the Church, to whom the Lord said,
"...because you are neither hot nor cold...lukewarm...I
will spew you out of my mouth...".

The "...knowledge of good and evil..." is mixing the
things that are holy with the things that are not.

Amen! !

shazeep · #**759** 03-10-2015, 02:16 PM

iow, restating Esaias' last post, essentially. (Which i do agree with, btw) cool!
We never really identified the Tree of Life for this specific situation, but i think you guys have presented a pretty good witness for the Tree of KoGaE.

mizpeh · #**760** 03-10-2015, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

What is "knowledge of good and evil"?

Did they not already know good (do what God said) and evil (disobey God)?

After eating their eyes were "opened" and they saw they were naked.

Could it be the "knowledge of good and evil" was not so much a "sudden intellectual understanding of morals and ethics" but rather a LIFE of experiencing "good and evil"... which began with their shame at being naked, trying to cover themselves, hiding from God, etc?

It's a fruit that brought Adam and Eve into accountability. Where as we are born innocent and grow and eventually come to the age of accountability, they did it in one fell swoop. imo