I need a portable baptistry - Page 2

Aquila · #11 03-20-2015, 08:25 AM

Anyway, though many might disagree with the method, we in the house church movement do use pouring when we don't have readily available water for full immersion.

Esaias · #12 03-20-2015, 08:31 AM

Sorry, baptizo means to immerse. It does not mean "to wash however you get it done".

Baptism is a fullbody .ikvah and infusion (pouring) was a post apostolic development.

I don't know ANY apostolic who accepts pouring or sprinkling as baptism.

Don't know any baptists who pour or sprinkle either, for that matter.

Baptism is for the remission of sins. That guy getting water poured on his head is not being baptised.

I would say I'm shocked but pretty much nothing shocks me nowadays.

Esaias · #13 03-20-2015, 08:33 AM

What's this "we in the house church movement use pouring"?

I guess I'm not in the "house church movement". Thankfully, I'm in the church of Jesus Christ, and we immerse in his name for the remission of sins.

Esaias · #14 03-20-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JamDat

Inflatable spa would work. It very portable, has heated water and not very expensive. It's not cheaper than your version, but not bad either. You could look for one on Craigs List or Ebay.

This is one on Amazon

Hmm... do you have one? How long would it take to set up and take down I wonder?

JoseC · #15 03-20-2015, 08:56 AM

A walmart blow up pool and a food safe 55 gallon drum for toting around water?

Aquila · #16 03-20-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Sorry, baptizo means to immerse. It does not mean "to wash however you get it done".

Baptism is a fullbody .ikvah and infusion (pouring) was a post apostolic development.

I don't know ANY apostolic who accepts pouring or sprinkling as baptism.

Don't know any baptists who pour or sprinkle either, for that matter.

Baptism is for the remission of sins. That guy getting water poured on his head is not being baptised.

I would say I'm shocked but pretty much nothing shocks me nowadays.

The pouring and sprinkling of water is found throughout the OT bro. The waters of consecration were sprinkled on the priests and others. The washings of their day (translated "baptisms") also involved the brazen laver and the pouring of water over the priesthood. Waters of purification were a part of ceremonial washings (translated "baptisms") that typically involved a pitcher and a basin...not a trough. That's a FACT you cannot deny. In addition, God Himself is said to "pour" out His Spirit with regards to the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and this is likened to being "sprinkled with clean water" in the prophets.

You've only bought into one definition of "baptism". And that's cool. Because it is a valid definition and immersion, in my opinion, should be standard practice. However, there are other definitions that allow for greater and more expansive meaning with regards to baptism and the "washing" away of sin. if there isn't enough water to immerse a person and you don't have the guts to "wash" (baptize) them by pouring what you do have on them... that's entirely up to you.

Like I said, I'm a radical. I'll baptize you with a Dixie cup if it's all I have and you want to be baptized. Judge me if you like. lol

Aquila · #17 03-20-2015, 12:00 PM

Also, in baptism we partake in Christ's burial. Think about this... Was Jesus plunged under, or covered with, dirt? Nope. He was buried "as the manner of the Jews is to bury" (John 19:40). What did they do to Christ's own body? They ceremonially washed the body by pouring clean water over it, and thereby consecrated it, as was custom. They then applied oils and spices to the body and wrapped it in linen. Then they placed it in a tomb.

What role did water play in Christ's own burial? The water of His burial was poured over His body. Thus pouring water over the repentant (dead) could be said to be a more perfect likeness to Christ's own burial than even immersion.

Just a thought.

good samaritan · #18 03-20-2015, 12:06 PM

Pouring and sprinkling maybe found in parts of the OT, but it is not found in one place in the new testament. John the Baptist came baptizing in the river Jordan unto repentance. There is not one example of sprinkling or pouring of the NT church. The house Church movement points out their early church likeness. I think you would do well to follow the same example by how the early church literally baptized. There is enough water some where close by to baptize even if it is in a home bath tub. I wouldn't take the chance just for convenience sake. Be accurate when it comes to the word of God.

Aquila · #19 03-20-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Pouring and sprinkling maybe found in parts of the OT, but it is not found in one place in the new testament. John the Baptist came baptizing in the river Jordan unto repentance. There is not one example of sprinkling or pouring of the NT church. The house Church movement points out their early church likeness. I think you would do well to follow the same example by how the early church literally baptized. There is enough water some where close by to baptize even if it is in a home bath tub. I wouldn't take the chance just for convenience sake. Be accurate when it comes to the word of God.

We've used home bath tubs. We've used kiddie pools. We've used barrels. But some find it problematic because the bath tub is either dirty or they don't relish the idea of their baptism being done two feet away from a toilet. lol

John did baptize in the river Jordan. However, he also baptized in a locality know as Aenon because "there was much water there". I don't doubt that John immersed people in baptism. However, I'm not convinced that was the ONLY mode he could have employed. Earliest recorded depictions of baptism (by those who spoke the Greek language) included depictions of John and the convert standing in the water, with John pouring the water over them. The river or stream was often used as a basin wherein they stood as the water was poured over the convert.

The point is... the meaning of baptism is more expansive than meaning strictly immersion. It can mean to "wash" or to "bathe" (or even to "experience") without any reference to form or fashion in regards to mode.

Aquila · #20 03-20-2015, 12:16 PM

I don't denounce immersion. As I said, I prefer it if there is a sufficient body of water to be used. We prefer fresh water (lakes, rivers, etc.). However, if there isn't a sufficient place to immerse, I have no issues with baptizing a person through the pouring of water. Trust me, I soak 'em down. If it were dirt, they would be buried. lol