Are APOSTLIC WOMEN DOUR? - Page 18

#1 09-16-2007, 03:10 PM

To get back to the title of this thread - Are Apostolic Women Dour?

Yes, some of them are. Why? Not sure - I do know that when I was younger, some of the older women seemed to be of that nature. Or at least that is what I perceived.

I think women in this generation seemed to be a little more relaxed as far as being able to "let their hair down", whereas in the earlier years women would be criticized for not being prudent. Some of the church pictures that I have seen that were taken in the 50's & 60's - the women rarely smiled. (I'm not sure if I am mixing apples and oranges here)

I do believe they should receive the "Joy of the Lord" when they were filled with Holy Ghost but is it possible that it could be a personality flaw? Or could it be the environment in which one is raised in that would be responsible for such behavior. (I know the Bible states that a person becomes a new creature in Christ)

For an example, my MIL is Dour and has always been, she is a Pastor's wife and has offended many people. I contributed it to her childhood. Her childhood memories consist of hiding when her drunken father got home from work. When she was a young girl, her 13 year old brother died on the living room couch from Leukemia. Her mother was Polish - very staunch and rigid. "I love you" were never told to her or her siblings by either parents nor any kind of affection was shown. They kicked her out of the house at age 15. She, still to this day, has a hard time displaying affection to anyone - regardless of family or friends. However, she does say "I love you" to all of us.

Not sure if I really answered this thread the way I wanted to convey it.

#2 09-18-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I know it's a blanket statement ... and of course it does not apply to all [and dourness applies to men as well]

I even remember my dad saying that many Apostolics looked like they were baptized in lemon juice.

... but from personal observation I've seen a particular dourness that prevails in some of the women in our movement.

I have made some personal observations from being an Apostolic my whole life .... and even from some the statements of vibrant Apostolic women ... including some from this forum ... Sister Alvear, Rhoni, in particular.

I think some of it may be attributed to the high demands we place on them.

They include:

1. An unbalanced demand on them to be the benchmarks of separation and holiness.

2. The 1950's model of the ideal family. Men work ... women stay in the home, cook, clean and raise the kids. Those that do work ... often come home to work a second shift. Not to forget the added responsibilities church can place on some of them.

3. Our separation has caused some to be very apathetic to those that don't fit the "mold".

Are these pressures affecting their joy???

Just thinking out loud .... let the games begin!!!!!!!

I feel for you my brother, the only women you have met in churches are "dour" ones? Perhaps it may be this is all they observe in you. ( ouch). That even hurt me. Sorry, as one who shares the same Apostolic heritage, I would have to say it really is the environment we surround ourselves with. You can't judge a book by it's cover, nor by the post either. Seriously, I enjoy your dry sense of humor and biting intellect. But everyone, including women, have something to offer the Lord and his bride; albeit behind facades they deem necessary to obey protocol. ( some are just shy).

Trouvere · #3 09-18-2007, 04:00 AM

I am happy.I get told all the time that whatever it is that I am taking or doing please share.I have had nurses corner me and close the door to say that whatever I have or whatever church I go to they want to come because what I have they want.No problem here Daniel.Must be a judgemental statement about apostolic women.Most I know are smiling.Thank God for that.We are happy when we go to church and work and home.

SDG · #4 09-18-2007, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman1

I feel for you my brother, the only women you have met in churches are "dour" ones? Perhaps it may be this is all they observe in you. ( ouch). That even hurt me. Sorry, as one who shares the same Apostolic heritage, I would have to say it really is the environment we surround ourselves with. You can't judge a book by it's cover, nor by the post either. Seriously, I enjoy your dry sense of humor and biting intellect. But everyone, including women, have something to offer the Lord and his bride; albeit behind facades they deem necessary to obey protocol. ( some are just shy).

I agree w/ the thrust of your post ... please re-read my original post carefully.

DAII · #5 06-26-2010, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDG

I know it's a blanket statement ... and of course it does not apply to all [and dourness applies to men as well]

I even remember my dad saying that many Apostolics looked like they were baptized in lemon juice.

... but from personal observation I've seen a particular dourness that prevails in some of the women in our movement.

I have made some personal observations from being an Apostolic my whole life .... and even from some the statements of vibrant Apostolic women ... including some from this forum ... Sister Alvear, Rhoni, in particular.

I think some of it may be attributed to the high demands we place on them.

They include:

1. An unbalanced demand on them to be the benchmarks of separation and holiness.

2. The 1950's model of the ideal family. Men work ... women stay in the home, cook, clean and raise the kids. Those that do work ... often come home to work a second shift. Not to forget the added responsibilities church can place on some of them.

3. Our separation has caused some to be very apathetic to those that don't fit the "mold".

Are these pressures affecting their joy???

Just thinking out loud .... let the games begin!!!!!!!

Bumperooski.