Are APOSTLIC WOMEN DOUR?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Sometimes, the look is one of self-righteousness.

I would tend to agree ... by placing them on the holiness pedestal ... some think they've got it cornered.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Some are dour looking but I don't see why they're singled out when many other women - Christian or not - are also dour looking. I've served a few of them already today and they're NOT apostolic.

So what's the point really?

I think the point is if we have the Holy Ghost living inside of us which equates to the "joy of the Lord", then we should show it.

I don't think we are addressing times when folks are sad due to circumstances, or just having a bad day either.

The ones that I've had the most contact with are just sour people that most the time have a chip on their shoulder or are self-righteous and we can fuss about this all day long, but those folks are out there.

I just had an encounter with one a few weeks back and it was UNREAL. She was just down right MEAN looking and stared at me like I was satan himself and this was in a UPC church. The problem was I didn't "look" the part yet I knew the whole church and everyone was greeting me and she didn't like it.

I made it a point to smile at her and say hello and the woman looked at me and turned around and walked the other way down the aisle. I even told her she sang beautifully and she grunted in my general direction.

Later that evening I asked what the deal was and they said she was always like that, so I didn't take it personal. Found out she was a preacher's wife and that REALLY floored me.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You seem to be just focusing on the outward on this issue ... standards is part of the equation .... but do some of our male-dominant conservative views on the home add to the consternation some are feeling????

well. Daniel, I am at a loss. I suppose that in some parts of the OP movement there is a male-dominant conservitive view....buuuuut

My mom owns her own business
Sister 1 is the traffic manager responsible for all adds her company airs across the nation on all forms of meida. she is single and the Sunday School superintendant at my church.
Sister 2 is VP of human resources and a senior director for the company company she works for and the secretary at our church and is in all the board meetings and such.

Sister 3 doesnt go to church so she doent count in this particular discussion but if you pulled some kind of "male dominant" what ever on her you just might get kicked.

My wife works a full time job and I cook... I will not wash clothes or dust but she doent often fold clothes and NEVER washes the dishes...so, I am not personally familiar with what you speak of.

I do however lament the feminization of the American man (i may cook but I aint no girl).

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

well. Daniel, I am at a loss. I suppose that in some parts of the OP movement there is a male-dominant conservitive view....buuuuut

My mom owns her own business
Sister 1 is the traffic manager responsible for all adds her company airs across the nation on all forms of meida. she is single and the Sunday School superintendant at my church.
Sister 2 is VP of human resources and a senior director for the company company she works for and the secretary at our church and is in all the board meetings and such.

Sister 3 doesnt go to church so she doent count in this particular discussion but if you pulled some kind of "male dominant" what ever on her you just might get kicked.

My wife works a full time job and I cook... I will not wash clothes or dust but she doent often fold clothes and NEVER washes the dishes...so, I am not personally familiar with what you speak of.

I do however lament the feminization of the American man (i may cook but I aint no girl).

How does cooking make you less masculine ... Ferd ... LOL .. Please enlighten us ...

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I didn't "look" the part yet

you keep trying sister, you'll come around

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

How does cooking make you less masculine ... Ferd ... LOL .. Please enlighten us ...

it doesnt....is that all you got out of that post? good grief.

[Nahum]

I categorically reject the notion that Apostolics are male-dominated. In fact, I see the opposite as truth. More and more, I see Apostolic women who want to rule the world and their husbands, and the pastor, and their entire church. Their goal is not equality, it is superiority. Are these women dour? I suppose so. Stepping outside of God's plan for the family normally leads to unhappiness.

The thing I notice is a move toward flashing skin, dominance, and male bashing. Very few women act lady-like nowadays.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I know it's a blanket statement ... and of course it does not apply to all [and dourness applies to men as well]

I even remember my dad saying that many Apostolics looked like they were baptized in lemon juice.

... but from personal observation I've seen a particular dourness that prevails in some of the women in our movement.

I have made some personal observations from being an Apostolic my whole life .... and even from some the statements of vibrant Apostolic women ... including some from this forum ... Sister Alvear, Rhoni, in particular.

I think some of it may be attributed to the high demands we place on them.

They include:

1. An unbalanced demand on them to be the benchmarks of separation and holiness.

2. The 1950's model of the ideal family. Men work ... women stay in the home, cook, clean and raise the kids. Those that do work ... often come home to work a second shift. Not to forget the added responsibilities church can place on some of them.

3. Our separation has caused some to be very apathetic to those that don't fit the "mold".

Are these pressures affecting their joy???

Just thinking out loud .... let the games begin!!!!!!!

Some sure are. But so are some men for that matter!!!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I categorically reject the notion that Apostolics are male-dominated. In fact, I see the opposite as truth. More and more, I see Apostolic women who want to rule the world and their husbands, and the pastor, and their entire church. Their goal is not equality, it is superiority. Are these women dour? I suppose so. Stepping outside of God's plan for the family normally leads to unhappiness.

The thing I notice is a move toward flashing skin, dominance, and male bashing. Very few women act lady-like nowadays.

Now that you bring up this subject.... the sister in law of one of the UPCIs greatest prince's was both the most dour woman I ever knew AND the most domineering woman I ever knew.

her only son will have nothing to do with her.

she nearly single handedly split a church in half

she sued in court so she could get control of the finances of a church

all this while looking like she was sucking on a bitter lemon.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Some sure are. But so are some men for that matter!!!

I just walked thru my office area. (not a church by the way) looked at several women. there were some dour faces up here....they wuz all wearing pants but they wuznt boys.