Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

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Jesus said people would believe on him through the words of the apostles he ordained. You claim you agree with Jesus' words, but you deny that statement since you reject the words of the apostles in the epistles. You are not at all consistent in this nor honest.

Joh 17:19-20 KJV And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. (20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Do you believe God did not answer this prayer?

Where's Zeep? Suddenly silent when the word is delved into and he's asked to prove something he claims?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I know WOW SHOCKING OMG give me a break.

Walks, why are you so condescending in your posts? I was responding to PO, and was frankly surprised to read what she wrote.

[Esaias]

If one claims the bible is corrupted then how can one say what is or isn't representative of Christ's teachings?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are not "saved" until you pass the test as judgment.

Excerpt from William Arnold's article

C. Salvation is a process:

1. we have been saved, "According to his mercy he saved us" (Titus 3:5), and "{God} has saved us and called us to a holy life" (2 Tim 1:9),
2. we are being saved, "For by grace are ye saved" (Eph 2:8), and "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phi 2:12),
3. we shall be saved, "much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life" (Rom 5:10) and "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." (I Tim 4:16).
God only gives this final salvation if we continue in him (Rom 11:22; Col 1:23; I John 2:24,25). Ralph Reynolds gives this illustration:
When were the children of Israel saved? At the night of the Passover after the blood was applied, while the death angel passed over, they were saved. Yet they were not yet saved. They were saved when they crossed the Red Sea and the armies of Pharaoh were destroyed. Yet they were not yet saved. They were saved when they were led by the cloud in the wilderness. Yet they were not yet saved. Many were never saved for they never entered the Promised Land.2

D. God intends to see us through: Matt. 28:20; Ppns 1:6;Heb. 13:5; I Peter 1:5

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/process.htm

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I have never been to Africa, or to Syria and have nothing to do with either of the above.

So? You come here ranting about us but look at Islam and all the problems it has.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Jesus called himself "Son of Man" how many times in Matt alone? 27, 28?

And your point is?

Jesus taught to pray "Our Father"

Point?

I thought we discussed awhile back, and it was exhausting too, Jesus referred to God as "ELI"?

He referred to God MANY times as Father and as God. Once on the cross He said Eli, which is Hebrew for My God. Your point?

Show me where Jesus drank wine? I must have missed that verse.

Well first of all, Jesus was Jewish...need I say more? Wine formed a part of Jewish scriptures and practices

Deut 14:23-26 "Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice."

Num_6:20 and the priest shall wave them as a wave offering before the LORD; they are holy for the priest, together with the breast of the wave offering and the thigh of the heave offering. After that the Nazirite may drink wine.'

Jesus also made wine from water...you know that right?

Jesus said

Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.'
Luk 7:34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."

Jesus, being a Jew, kept the Passover feast which involved wine

Pulpit commentary

Verses 17-19. - Preparation for the Paschal Sapper. (Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-13.) Verse 17. - The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; literally, on the first day of Unleavened Bread. We have arrived at the Thursday in the Holy Week, Nisan 13. Wednesday had been spent in retirement at Bethany, and no acts or sayings of Christ on that day are recorded. The festival actually began at sunset of the 14th which was called the day of preparation, because the lambs for the feast were slain in the afternoon of that day, preparatory to their being eaten before the morning of the 15th. Domestic preparation, involving the removal of all leaven from houses and the use of unleavened bread, began on the 13th; hence this was considered at this era "the first day of the Unleavened." Came to Jesus. As the Master of the family, who had the ordering of all the details of the Paschal celebration. They did not know the mind of Jesus on the subject, and desired his directions as in former years. Bethany was considered as Jerusalem for the purposes of the solemn meal, and the apostles thought that preparation was to be made at some house in that village. Prepare for thee to eat the Passover. The preparations were numerous: a proper room had to be found and swept and carefully cleansed from every particle of leaven; tables and couches had to be arranged, lights to be supplied, the lamb and all other necessaries (e.g. bread, wine, bitter herbs) provided. All these preparations took much time, so it was doubtless in the early morning that the disciples applied to our Lord. When they spoke of eating the Passover, they doubtless supposed that Christ meant in due course to celebrate the regular Paschal supper on the appointed day, i.e. on the evening of Friday. But his intentions were different from what they expected.

Jesus specifically called it the fruit of the vine
Mat 26:19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mat 26:20 When evening had come, He sat down with the twelve.
Mat 26:21 Now as they were eating, He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me."
Mat 26:22 And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to Him, "Lord, is it I?"
Mat 26:23 He answered and said, "He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish will betray Me.
Mat 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."
Mat 26:25 Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, "Rabbi, is it I?" He said to him, "You have said it."
Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
Mat 26:27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you.
Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

The crucifixion? Which one? The one where the dead rose up and walked or the one where both thieves made fun of Jesus or the one where one thief did make fun and the other didn't or which one?

There was only one. Where does it say "One thief made fun and the other didn't"?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LOL do you feel "threatened" by online discussion with Muslims? You are truly an iron oak example of faith.

As to your other implications I am actually "the majority" right here, right now and have many christian colleagues. As noted they even "gasp" hold services here, and have for many years.

In this, your false accusation above does not actually match up with reality. There were only a few primary commandments and those commandments are really not that hard to keep straight. The above is a primary example of breaking one.

If I came onto a Muslim forum and said I was going to bring a bunch of my buddies to sign in so that I could put them in their place, that would be perceived as a threat. And while that is not frightening, it is still a perceived threat made.

With the reputation that the Muslims have around the world right now, you might want to back down from being perceived as having a propensity toward threats.

The guy who won the cartoon contest in Garland is a former Muslim and said that GWB, Bill O'Reilly don't know what they are talking about, in that, Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. His reasoning is from what he saw and that they, meaning all, have ONE book, reading the same thing, the Koran.

And you might want to review the AFF Rules. You cannot come here to question and/or mock the Bible unless you are in the Debate Room. This isn't the Debate Room.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Excerpt from William Arnold's article

C. Salvation is a process:

1. we have been saved, "According to his mercy he saved us" (Titus 3:5), and "{God} has saved us and called us to a holy life" (2 Tim 1:9),
2. we are being saved, "For by grace are ye saved" (Eph 2:8), and "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phi 2:12),
3. we shall be saved, "much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life" (Rom 5:10) and "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." (I Tim 4:16).
God only gives this final salvation if we continue in him (Rom 11:22; Col 1:23; I John 2:24,25). Ralph Reynolds gives this illustration:
When were the children of Israel saved? At the night of the Passover after the blood was applied, while the death angel passed over, they were saved. Yet they were not yet saved. They were saved when they crossed the Red Sea and the armies of Pharaoh were destroyed. Yet they were not yet saved. They were saved when they were led by the cloud in the wilderness. Yet they were not yet saved. Many were never saved for they never entered the Promised Land.2

D. God intends to see us through: Matt. 28:20; Ppns 1:6;Heb. 13:5; I Peter 1:5

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/process.htm

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Epley you aren't qualified for this discussion and probably need to go back to something you are better suited for, such as fine-tuning the "shirt sleeve doctrine of salvation".

I'd say Epley is far more qualified for this current conversation than you!

Perhaps you should go back to something you're for which you're better suited. Such as, defending islam as the religion of peace or "How to Wear a Vest and Not Blow Yourself Up."

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I came onto a Muslim forum and said I was going to bring a bunch of my buddies to sign in so that I could put them in their place, that would be perceived as a threat. And while that is not frightening, it is still a perceived threat made.

With the reputation that the Muslims have around the world right now, you might want to back down from being perceived as having a propensity toward threats.

The guy who won the cartoon contest in Garland is a former Muslim and said that GWB, Bill O'Reilly don't know what they are talking about, in that, Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. His reasoning is from what he saw and that they, meaning all, have ONE book, reading the same thing, the Koran.

And you might want to review the AFF Rules. You cannot come here to question and/or mock the Bible unless you are in the Debate Room. This isn't the Debate Room.

Any more muslims on this forum and I'm gone.

WIi and his apologist, Shazeep, are too much already.