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Originally Posted by Jito463
I'm not condemning anyone. Let me repeat that, I'm not condemning anyone. The Word of God condemns us. If we do not obey God's Word, we are condemned.
As Esaias has stated time and again, you apparently believe in justification by works, rather than by faith. Those people couldn't possibly be lost, because they did such great works? You need to examine your own beliefs, before you start condemning us (irony, ain't it grand) for simply stating the Bible.
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The irony is rich indeed. Here we have people who believe that a person must
1)be baptized-but not just any ole baptism will work, not even quoting the words of Jesus in Mt 28:19 is sufficient, but one must be baptized with the correct wording spoken over them to have any chance of being saved (in Jesus name)
2)Y'all deny that someone has the Spirit indwelling (thus they can't be saved according to
Romans 8:9-11) until they've spoken in tongues. Yall exalt this one sign above any "fruit" of the Spirit and make this "the evidence" and must redefine Paul's words in
1 Corinthians 12:28 and ALL of church history (whether Esaias likes it or not). Tongues was NEVER seen as THE evidence of the indwelling of the Spirit, even in the early church history when people did speak in tongues. It was always viewed as a gift, not an essential for salvation.
3)Y'all (at least some) believe in a list of standards which all ate made heaven/hell issues, everything from hair, to clothing, to what you can read/watch, where you can go (I was taught NO amusement parks, no professional sporting events), and like I said you guys have literally a thousand dos and dont's all of which are preached as salvational within your movement. Although what standards are necessary differs congregation to congregation, which inconsistency is always common in man made religion
4)tithing or hell. Keep the wrath of God away by paying up.
5)Practice foot washing. If you don't do this you have no part with Me. (Totally miss the truth of being servants of others)
6)In you guys system you are ALWAYS performing for salvation. Salvation is initially by grace, but after baptism you are basically locked into a performance based (fear driven) religion.
I've read your oneness theology books, I've listened to thousands of your messages in person, at various functions, camp meetings, conferences, preaching tapes like crazy, and preached it from 2002-2011.
I know what you believe, I know the arguments, I know the inconsistencies, I know the legalism and the fear. I also know it is common for OPs to deny all of those things. So when y'all deny that your walk is based on performance and subconscious fear.
While calling me a legalist.
And why? Because one says "justification by faith" is easy believism and suggest people who believe that don't really live for God. I answer in the negative and give numerous examples, simply to refute the idea that those who believe in justification by faith are not simply lukewarm psudo-believers.
And then what do yall say? "Legalism, legalism". Oh the irony indeed!
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