McMinnville pastor accused in suit of Defamation

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

I've asked a question twice and haven't received an answer. It's a simple question. The news articles didn't mention anything about this. You called Matthew Davies a criminal. Has he been arrested and charged with a crime? If so, please post proof of this. If not, then he's not a criminal and you should stop calling him one.

*Bump* for Pilgrim.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anybody on this thread actually have a dog in this fight?

Or are we just typical bored Americans looking for vicarious excitement?

We're typical people on a forum responding to something which was posted.

[n david]

I've thought about it a little more, and I'm with Holy Ghost HH and Pilgrim now. I think these Pastor's should be tarred and feathered. They should be forced to stand in the McMinnville town square with tar and feathers and admit publicly that they are "criminals" and have "willful sin" in their lives.

Then, they should be put in stocks, while every church member comes by with a pie and throws it in their face. Townspeople should throw rotten vegetables at them.

A picture should be taken of this and put in a full-page ad, with a caption from the Pastor's "We are 'criminals.'"

They should be voted out as Pastor's, be forced to close their business and sell their homes. A cardboard box in the alley behind main street would be too good for them!

Not enough blood for you? Maybe they should be caned, whipped and beated with rods!

Yes! Give us blood! Forgiveness is so early church. We want vengence!

*snarl* *gnash*

Meanwhile...

"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"

"forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

"Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not."

"Recompense to no man evil for evil."

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."

[Pilgram199]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

Stephen, Jeaus, nor John the Baptist had high paid lawyers to represent them. They let God see them through. Why not these 2? Some would say that would be unwise, others would say lack of faith. I say why not let them spend the church tithe and offering to fix this mess.

Just an FYI, The church insurance and each pastor's home owners ins. will cover this and it will not hurt the pastors financially. It will be easily and efficiently swept under the rug.

[Pilgram199]

[QUOTE=n david;1374502]
Not enough blood for you? Maybe they should be caned, whipped and beated with rods!

Yes! Give us blood! Forgiveness is so early church. We want vengence!

*snarl* *gnash*

n david, cute...... but a little overly dramatic don't you think?

Let's stay with the issue and reasonable discussion.

[Holy Ghost HH]

Originally Posted by n david

I've thought about it a little more, and I'm with Holy Ghost HH and Pilgrim now. I think these Pastor's should be tarred and feathered. They should be forced to stand in the McMinnville town square with tar and feathers and admit publicly that they are "criminals" and have "willful sin" in their lives.

Then, they should be put in stocks, while every church member comes by with a pie and throws it in their face. Townspeople should throw rotten vegetables at them.

A picture should be taken of this and put in a full-page ad, with a caption from the Pastor's "We are 'criminals.'"

They should be voted out as Pastor's, be forced to close their business and sell their homes. A cardboard box in the alley behind main street would be too good for them!

Not enough blood for you? Maybe they should be caned, whipped and beated with rods!

Yes! Give us blood! Forgiveness is so early church. We want vengence!

*snarl* *gnash*

Meanwhile...

"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"

"forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

"Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not."

"Recompense to no man evil for evil."

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."

No sir, that is not what needs to happen. Even tho that is what they did to Jim Goings. Minus the tar and feathers they made a mockery of him and the church. Non of this would even be on this forum if the where not crooks in my opinion. So everyone should forgive except them? I think they should let Jim back in the church just like Jesus would. Do you agree? Or do pastors that run independent get to be the judge and jury unlike what is biblical? They got found out and threw forgiveness out the window now everyone needs to forgive them? Just talked to Jim the other day and he has forgiven. When your child steals from you and apologizes you forgive right? But he will still get his punishment no? Exactly.

[Pilgram199]

Just curious, what would you do if you attended this church?

1.) continue on as nothing ever happened, submitting to every decision, nodding your head yes and joyfully giving tithes and offerings.

2.) respectfully hold back and hope that things are made right and the air is cleared.

3.) forget about the years that you have put into this church, pull up stakes and go some where else.

4.) other options

[Pilgram199]

What would you do if this happened in the church that you attend? Are there any checks & balances?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pilgram199

n david, cute...... but a little overly dramatic don't you think?

Let's stay with the issue and reasonable discussion.

Why don't you answer my question? You've accused Matthew Davies of being a "criminal."

Was he arrested?

Was he charged with any crime?

Yes or no?

Why do you continue to ignore the question? It's pretty simple, Pilgrim.

If he has been arrested and charged with a crime, post the proof.

If not, you should say so.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

No sir, that is not what needs to happen. Even tho that is what they did to Jim Goings. Minus the tar and feathers they made a mockery of him and the church. Non of this would even be on this forum if the were not crooks in my opinion.

They're crooks? Have you ever been given a traffic ticket? Have you ever driven faster than the posted speed? Have you ever, even once, been the slightest bit dishonest or misleading?

Such were some of you (myself included).

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

So everyone should forgive except them?

I don't know why this is so hard for you and Pilgrim to understand or grasp. What THEY do or say doesn't affect where or how you will spend eternity; it's what YOU do which will. It doesn't matter if these men have repented, asked or given forgiveness. It only matters that YOU do.

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

I think they should let Jim back in the church just like Jesus would. Do you agree?

Again, doesn't matter what they do or don't do. I think you should forgive and stop seeking vengence just like Jesus said to do.

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

Or do pastors that run independent get to be the judge and jury unlike what is biblical? They got found out and threw forgiveness out the window now everyone needs to forgive them?

To the part in bold: Yes! A hundred times, YES!

And why? Because if you don't forgive, you will not be forgiven. It matters not what they do or say. Your words and actions, not theirs, are what will matter in eternity.

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

Just talked to Jim the other day and he has forgiven.

Awesome! He should show his forgiveness by dropping his lawsuit. You can't claim to forgive someone while still seeking personal vengence against them. Why haven't you forgiven them?

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

When your child steals from you and apologizes you forgive right? But he will still get his punishment no? Exactly.

Are you God? Is Jim God? Since when did you become the judge or executioner of divine punishment? You're like Jonah, waiting for the destruction of Nineveh, and if it doesn't happen, you get upset. To you, the Pastors did wrong, so they deserve punishment. You want them to be arrested and charged with a crime. You would like to see them resign from being Pastors.

Meanwhile, Mercy says "Hello."

You're sitting with popcorn, waiting for "fire and brimstone" to burn them alive while standing behind the pulpit.

But Mercy says, "They did wrong, it's true. And while I am able to destroy them as you wish, I choose instead to forgive them."