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06-01-2007, 09:19 PM
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Supreme Queen Here
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Originally Posted by Lucy Van Pelt
I am not into politics that much.
I would just put the Army shoulder to shoulder around the borders of the US and shoot at whatever moves.
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As I've said before!
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06-01-2007, 09:21 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
More mid-western extremism .... you made an argument .... that was faulty.
I believe in securing the borders .... but w/ the Social Security deficit and most of these illegals contributing to the economy ... it only makes sense ....
btw ... many are already paying taxes ... consumer taxes ... and many have tax id numbers ... would you deport all of them ... do you have any idea what that would do to our economy ....
USE COMMON SENSE ..
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I would be in favor of phasing all illegals into a legal status (of course violent criminals should be sent back as we discover them.)
BUT only IF......
We spent about as much as we did in Iraq on border security that stops illegal immigration cold. Our borders are open to suicide bombers and that is a shame.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-01-2007, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Take over ... is that what scares you????
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I'm not scared at all. I think it is irresponsible to allow this. Why do you want to reward those who ignore the law? Citizenship is a privilege here.
Trouble is, a lot of illegal immigrants are here illegally because of monetary reasons alone. They have no intention of ever applying for citizenship. They just want all of the benefits without doing their part to help the tax base.
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06-01-2007, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Common sense says they are criminals. Common sense says they DO NOT pay income taxes. Common sense says they are HURTING our economy by taxing our infrastructure. BTW, if they have tax id's they are not ILLEGALS.
Man, I feel like Thomas Paine.
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Wrong ... those that want to qualify for an amnesty know that they should paying income taxes ... millions are paying them ... w/ tax id numbers provided by the gov't .... they have done so as to prove their good faith for a pending amnesty.
They are your infrastructure ... they build your roads ...
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06-01-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Common sense says they are criminals.
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Yes, they are breaking the law.
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Common sense says they DO NOT pay income taxes.
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Wrong!
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Common sense says they are HURTING our economy by taxing our infrastructure.
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Not if they're supporting it with taxes.
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BTW, if they have tax id's they are not ILLEGALS.
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Wrong again!
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Man, I feel like Thomas Paine.
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I'm sure you'll feel better when the mood swing's over.
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06-01-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Wrong ... those that want to qualify for an amnesty know that they should paying income taxes ... millions are paying them ... w/ tax id numbers provided by the gov't .... they have done so as to prove their good faith for a pending amnesty.
They are your infrastructure ... they build your roads ...
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So a pattern of intentional law breaking doesn't concern you?
What if it were all Islamaic terrorists? Would you think THEY had a right to live here illegally?
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06-01-2007, 09:23 PM
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They can get an ITIN number (individual taxpayer identification number)It does not allow then to work or recieve income earned credit (IEC), only to pay federal taxes.
You don't even know your own laws ... PP
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06-01-2007, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
So a pattern of intentional law breaking doesn't concern you?
What if it were all Islamaic terrorists? Would you think THEY had a right to live here illegally?
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This issue is older than Islamic terrorism ... the extremists that hate hispanics have been ranting over this issue way before 9/11....
of course the reality is that we need to secure our borders ... but an amnesty only makes sense to a tax system and social security systems that is failing.
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06-01-2007, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
They can get an ITIN number (individual taxpayer identification number)It does not allow then to work or recieve income earned credit (IEC), only to pay federal taxes.
You don't even know you own laws ... PP
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Still criminals. We have no idea what type of criminal activity illegals have been involved in because we are just too nice to ask.
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06-01-2007, 09:28 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
This issue is older than Islamic terrorism ... the extremists that hate hispanics have been ranting over this issue way before 9/11....
of course the reality is that we need to secure our borders ... but an amnesty only makes sense to a tax system and social security systems that is failing.
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Did we not do the amnesty thing only to discover it made the problem worse? Any amnesty program is a bad one unless it is directly coupled with a border that is secure - whatever it takes we need to do it.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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