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Originally Posted by good samaritan
I think we are splitting hairs on some of this church government stuff. Churches should have strong men in the church who are a able to pull the reigns if any one person gets out of his God given jurisdiction. If a church is full of yes men who let the pastor do anything he wants to, then that is indictment against the people of that church.
I have attended a few different churches and have seen some abuse, but I have learned that we all answer to God individually. I have never had much issue submitting to church leadership, but there has been several times I had to say no. When the Bible talks about submission it always must stay within context with pleasing God and taking care of the responsibilities that God has given you personally.
What I am getting at is that I don't see a problem with churches having a singular pastor and matter of fact I think I see enough scripture to qualify it. The thing is that church people must understand that each of them have a individual responsibility to obey God for their self. We need elders in the church who are full of the Holy Ghost and with wisdom working with the pastor, and not below him.
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Spoken like a true pastor driven saint. And just where in scripture do you see enough to qualify a singular pastor?
What I see more in churches are saints that are more inclined to be obedient to a man than obedient to God.
Nowhere in scripture can it be found submit to the pastor to be saved, rather "study to show yourself approve" and "Seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling".
And if one wants to quote
Hebrews 13:17, the word "obey" in that verse means "by persuasion" not out and out obedience just because he says he is the man of God!
And further more Jesus own words tell us that "we are not to be Lords".
Matt 20.
Some how we also seem to miss the Lords words when he tells us "not to be called teachers, fathers, or masters. Because you have one teacher, one father, and one master, Christ Jesus. Matt 23.
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