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Old 08-14-2015, 09:47 PM
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HUH?

Years ago Bro Davis from Balch Springs (The Brother Davis that is in Prison now) preached about the prodigal pig. Using a real vague analogy.

There is not a story about the pig in the house.

What Scripture are you using?

I can only find one prodigal story and that is the prodigal son.
In prison???? For what????
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:37 PM
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It happened unto to them as a true proverb. That prodigal.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:02 AM
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It happened unto to them as a true proverb. That prodigal.


I'm just glad my testimony has served as a source of inspiration for you Sir.
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There's more to oneness apostolics than a few upci churches. There's upci churches that aren't like that. And there's non upci churches not like that either. Find a oneness apostolic church that doesn't have judgmental ism. i couldn't support a Trinitarian non apostolic work. The truth needs support.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:18 AM
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Don't blame Jesus Christ for your poor decisions. The Lord Jesus had nothing to do with you attending an Assembly of God church. Both believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? One believes Jesus IS GOD, and the other believes Jesus is A god.
I hope you are laughing because you are making a joke and not because you really think the A/G thinks Jesus Christ is a god.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:32 AM
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There's more to oneness apostolics than a few upci churches. There's upci churches that aren't like that. And there's non upci churches not like that either. Find a oneness apostolic church that doesn't have judgmental ism. i couldn't support a Trinitarian non apostolic work. The truth needs support.
The desire to overcome that personal struggle was not the only issue I had. I still don't believe every Christian who has never been baptized in the Name of Jesus is going to hell. There are other differences too.

So returning to visit an Apostolic church may not be the best idea for several doctrinal reasons. But maybe I can glance over the differences and focus on the main points of Christianity that we agree on.

The main reason I left was indeed over doctrine. The personal experiences I shared in this thread did happen, but when I left, I decided that my Christianity and life had to match. At that time, it meant joining a church that matched my beliefs a little closer. It also meant that I would have to shed light on the sin problem that had festered because I tried to deal with it alone. That is what I decided would be remarkably different at whatever church I joined.

I also decided to join a church close to where I lived so that I can be a part of the community, sensibly invite others to church, etc.
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The desire to overcome that personal struggle was not the only issue I had. I still don't believe every Christian who has never been baptized in the Name of Jesus is going to hell. There are other differences too.

So returning to visit an Apostolic church may not be the best idea for several doctrinal reasons. But maybe I can glance over the differences and focus on the main points of Christianity that we agree on.

The main reason I left was indeed over doctrine. The personal experience I shared in this thread did happen but when I left, I decided that my Christianity and life had to match and the only way for that to happen was to shed light on the sin problem that had festered because I tried to deal with it alone. That is what I decided would be remarkably different at whatever church I joined.

I also decided to join a church close to where I lived so that I can be a part of the community, sensibly invite others to church, etc.
I can appreciate your reasons and concerns and issues. However, supporting a church you know lacks truth is much larger an issue, I think. God can deal with the rest.
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I can appreciate your reasons and concerns and issues. However, supporting a church you know lacks truth is much larger an issue, I think. God can deal with the rest.
Maybe you are right, Sir.

But I know what I believe, based on the Bible, and I know that there are a few differences between what I believe and Oneness Pentecostal doctrine. I was thinking that maybe the differences are not insurmountable.

At best, I could attempt fellowship with my brothers and sisters and hope that I never am put in a position where I would have to say something different. Even as I type that though, it doesn't make sense.

My Christian life makes sense now.

But I still miss the Apostolics.

Maybe I need to just leave my Apostolic past in the past, along with the struggle, the heartache, and the sin.

The Christian life should be congruent, consistent.
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Never was the intent of God for the church to change for the penitent but the seeker to change. Folks who can be happy in a Trinity church just don't believe the message. It is very simple. Might be comfortable but sadly lost.
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Never was the intent of God for the church to change for the penitent but the seeker to change. Folks who can be happy in a Trinity church just don't believe the message. It is very simple. Might be comfortable but sadly lost.
Lost why?

How can a person who has fulfilled all the requirements of Oneness Pentecostal doctrine still be lost? Especially if that person's life is not marked by continued, gross sin.
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