If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him. Had Bernard or some other preacher said what Stoneking said, there wouldn't be much question about it, because what was said was true. Sure, it wasn't eloquent or explained in scientific terms, but sound waves affect molecules. It's scientifically proven. It's also true that in the OT people shouted when God commanded and victories were won.
You don't want to raise your voice, fine. But don't bash the man just because he stated a biblical and scientific fact.
The ONLY place in scripture that deals with the idea of tamping down worship is where Sauls daughter Micah, also the wife of David was disgusted with David dancing before the Lord.
God did not agree with her and dealt with her harshly.
Stoneking did not call satain the Prince of the Air. The bible states that.
Anyone seeking to fill satans principality with PRAISE TO GOD gets my support. Not because I like getting loud for geebus. That's silly. NO. I fill that space with Praise because my God is worthy of it. I support it because ITS BIBLICAL. Because God INJOINS his people to do so, and because doing so does in fact serve notice both to The Children of God AND to Satan, that there is no comfort for Satan, not even in his principality.
God love you folks who like your polite Jesus. But when you politeness extends to the battlefield, im sorry, but really... im not looking for you to be the guy(or gal) standing next to me holding that shield of faith that is supposed to help protect me....
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
well that's sound doctrine!
Im all for that. but lets not toss the baby out with the bathwater!
The bible also says BE STILL (quiet) and know that I am God"
There is a time and place for ALL THINGS.
When I teach on prayer, you better believe that I instruct Apostolics that prayer isn't ALL telling God stuff! if you don't spend time LISTENING you are not going anywhere.
BUT put STONEKINGs comments at NAYC in CONTEXT. He wasn't teaching. Those kids in general are REALLY GOOD at saying nothing. At being quiet at church. There is nothing wrong with teaching them that there is a time and place for a war shout.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him. Had Bernard or some other preacher said what Stoneking said, there wouldn't be much question about it, because what was said was true. Sure, it wasn't eloquent or explained in scientific terms, but sound waves affect molecules. It's scientifically proven. It's also true that in the OT people shouted when God commanded and victories were won.
You don't want to raise your voice, fine. But don't bash the man just because he stated a biblical and scientific fact.
/\ this right here...
Amen
Anyone who has been around here knows ive spoken harshly about some of his doctrinal views. But THIS is NOT one of those.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
Sure doesn't hurt.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him.
Whoa, really HATE HIM.
That's a bit flipped out, don't you agree?
An Apostolic who really hates his brother has more issues then the one who he is hating.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
you know I love and respect you...
I agree, God does not require us to "slam".... im pretty sure he instructs us to shout... considering all the scripture that speaks to the subject.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
The ONLY place in scripture that deals with the idea of tamping down worship is where Sauls daughter Micah, also the wife of David was disgusted with David dancing before the Lord.
God did not agree with her and dealt with her harshly.
Stoneking did not call satain the Prince of the Air. The bible states that.
Anyone seeking to fill satans principality with PRAISE TO GOD gets my support. Not because I like getting loud for geebus. That's silly. NO. I fill that space with Praise because my God is worthy of it. I support it because ITS BIBLICAL. Because God INJOINS his people to do so, and because doing so does in fact serve notice both to The Children of God AND to Satan, that there is no comfort for Satan, not even in his principality.
God love you folks who like your polite Jesus. But when you politeness extends to the battlefield, im sorry, but really... im not looking for you to be the guy(or gal) standing next to me holding that shield of faith that is supposed to help protect me....
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