Some standing here - Page 2

shag · #11 10-06-2015, 06:42 PM

(Regarding Matt. 16:28 AND 27)

Does the word "Assuredly" or "Truly" or "Verily" not have any purpose at all, zilch zero, in that verse?

It sholy do!

The word "Verily" means back up one verse, and read them together. Jesus would not say "Assuredly", and then separate the 2 verses by 2000 years.

And to say "most of you folks are going to die over the next 6 days, but some of you standing here won't". You have got to be kidding.

Again, we cannot remove the word "assuredly", and it's purpose for being spoken, and squeeze in 2000 years instead.

The word is there to connect the 2 verses. It means "of a truth I tell you", or "trust me when I tell you...
The Greek:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...ngs=G281&t=KJV

Sean · #12 10-06-2015, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

It just seems mighty strange that the preterists think this passage is speaking of the 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus, when not a single one of the living disciples/Apostles mentioned viewing His 2nd coming in any of their writings.

Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Could they have pre-occupied?

Could they have been complacent?

Could they have died, not seeing the 2nd coming, making our Lord a liar?

It would be silly to not mention such an event, being the spiritual founders of the church.

Okay my preterist compadres....I want some info on WHO saw the 2nd coming please.

Jesus said there were some standing there that would see His 2nd coming?

Is there a side book from the 1st century that was not accepted somewhere?

Anything?

Howbout Josephus?, Did God annoint him in some incorporated Apostolic writings to write about the 2nd coming, but not the disciples?

If such a majestic sight as Jesus described happened....WHO SAW IT???

WHO WROTE ABOUT IT???

shazeep · #13 10-06-2015, 06:57 PM

yes, i am not finding that either--but note the Apostles who spoke with Christ without realizing it. More than once. Note the many Jews, versed in the Scriptures, looking for a Messiah, who did not recognize Jesus. So i see a possible reflection there, when considering 70 ad.

Cracker Barrel · #14 10-06-2015, 08:14 PM

Uhhhhhhhh...uhhhhhhh ... Huh?
Didn't you read what bro Epley said?
Sorry new here but, woah.
Me thinks, some don't think.
These verse don't have nothing to do with the 2nd coming bruh.

Cracker Barrel · #15 10-06-2015, 08:22 PM

And that ain't no pretirizm either.
Please no offense.
I'm out

Evang.Benincasa · #16 10-06-2015, 09:04 PM

Jesus was telling them that they wouldn't die within eight days?

Also Jesus was telling them the Kingdom would appear within eight days?

I guess some people aren't Dispensationalists anymore?

Luke 9:27-35

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Evang.Benincasa · #17 10-06-2015, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cracker Barrel

And that ain't no pretirizm either.
Please no offense.
I'm out

And it sure ain't Dispensationalism.

Evang.Benincasa · #18 10-06-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

And to say "most of you folks are going to die over the next 6 days, but some of you standing here won't". You have got to be kidding.

This is just one commentary which agrees with you.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 28. - This verse has always been a crux to commentators, who cannot decide what is the event to which it refers. Many, taking it in connection with the preceding announcement, refer it exclusively to the day of judgment; but this idea is not compatible with Christ's assertion that some present shall see it ere they die. Nor can it refer to Christ's resurrection and ascension, and the mission of the Holy Ghost, which took place only half a year after this time, and the prediction of which so short a time before could not have been introduced in the terms here used. Other expositors, and some of great name, agree that the event to which Christ alludes is his transfiguration narrated in the next chapter. But there are insuperable objections to this view. How could Christ assert in the most solemn manner, Verily, I say unto you, that some of his hearers would tire to witness an event which was to occur only a week hence? Nor is it likely that he would thus publicly announce a transaction which was strictly private, seen only by three chosen witnesses, who were further charged not to reveal the vision till the Son of man was risen from the dead. The Lord had been telling of the final judgment; he now announces, with the formula used by him to present some revelation of Divine truth, that there was to be a coming of the Son of man at no very distant date. This advent is doubtless the destruction of Jerusalem, which, as it occurred only some forty years after this time, some of his auditors, apostles and the multitude, would live to behold. This great event was a type of the second advent, the two being closely connected by Christ himself (see ch. 24.). There is some truth in all the views that have obtained concerning this passage: "The prophecy unfolded itself by degrees; it has put forth buds and blossoms, but it will not be in its full bloom of accomplishment till the great day" (Wordsworth). There was some display of Christ's kingdom at the Transfiguration; another at his resurrection, and the events consequent thereupon; but the great one was when the overthrow of Jerusalem and its temple made way for the full establishment and development of the gospel, putting an end to the first dispensation. Some standing (of them that stand) here. Among the apostles St. John certainly survived the destruction of Jerusalem. There seems to be no recondite meaning in the term "standing," as if it signified "remaining steadfastly by me, adhering to my side;" as, taste of death is merely a periphrasis for "die," and has not the sense of tasting the bitterness of death, experiencing its sting. It appears to have been originally a metaphor derived from a nauseous draught, which every one must drain. Coming in his kingdom. Not "into his kingdom," but in the power and glory that appertain to his kingdom. Not that he will personally appear, but his mystical presence will be seen by its effects, the judgment on the Jewish nation, the establishment of a spiritual, yet visible kingdom in the place of the old covenant. There may be a similar allusion in Christ's words about St. John, "If I will that he tarry till I come" (John 21:23), and "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled" (Matthew 24:34) - where the dissolution of the Jewish polity is the event signified.

Evang.Benincasa · #19 10-06-2015, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Okay my preterist compadres....I want some info on WHO saw the 2nd coming please.

Jesus said there were some standing there that would see His 2nd coming?

Is there a side book from the 1st century that was not accepted somewhere?

Anything?

Howbout Josephus?, Did God annoint him in some incorporated Apostolic writings to write about the 2nd coming, but not the disciples?

If such a majestic sight as Jesus described happened....WHO SAW IT???

WHO WROTE ABOUT IT???

Josephus didn't even know who built the temple.

Sean · #20 10-06-2015, 10:33 PM

Again.....

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
It just seems mighty strange that the preterists think this passage is speaking of the 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus, when not a single one of the living disciples/Apostles mentioned viewing His 2nd coming in any of their writings.

Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Could they have pre-occupied?

Could they have been complacent?

Could they have died, not seeing the 2nd coming, making our Lord a liar?

It would be silly to not mention such an event, being the spiritual founders of the church.

Okay my preterist compadres....I want some info on WHO saw the 2nd coming please.

Jesus said there were some standing there that would see His 2nd coming?

Is there a side book from the 1st century that was not accepted somewhere?

Anything?

Howbout Josephus?, Did God annoint him in some incorporated Apostolic writings to write about the 2nd coming, but not the disciples?

If such a majestic sight as Jesus described happened....WHO SAW IT???

WHO WROTE ABOUT IT???

I am speaking of eye witness accounts of His so-called 2nd coming....Any at all?