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Old 06-02-2007, 08:19 PM
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Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

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We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



Bishop- Ms. Numan wants to know if you want to reconsider this first example before she sets it straight....

But got to run for now. Husband is calling!
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:14 PM
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Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

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WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123




WHAT SAY YE ?
I think you pick and choose the scriptures as you will. IF you really believed the scripture that says a woman is not to SPEAK, think how quiet the church would be. Who would teach the sunday school classes? Who would sing in the choir?
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:43 PM
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Rom 16:1-2
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
KJV
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Acts 18:24-26

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.KJV
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1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
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Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123




WHAT SAY YE ?
Good basic teaching.
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quit pasting bishops words.They are a pest to read and a whole page long.
Give an old woman a break.I have grandchildren ya know.
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Elder BigShip 1,

I respectfully disagree with your opinion regarding Deborah. The scripture very plainly says,

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
[5] And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Deborah WAS in a place of leadership and authority in Israel. The scripture doesn't say she judged the women of Israel, it says she judged Israel (that would include the men.)
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Elder BigShip 1,

I respectfully disagree with your opinion regarding Deborah. The scripture very plainly says,

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
[5] And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Deborah WAS in a place of leadership and authority in Israel. The scripture doesn't say she judged the women of Israel, it says she judged Israel (that would include the men.)
Not to mention that there were times the priests needed a word from God, but instead of God giving it to them directly, He sent them to Deborah.
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