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Bowas · #**141** 10-11-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

His wrath is compared to a winepress, Bowas, and unrighteous man are compared to the grapes being stomped under the pressers feet..

Did you see your previous posts, and how you denegrated the verses with sarcasm?

Your preterist ideas give you the 'liberty" to attack the verses to the point that a minor analogy in a verse, becomes MASS metaphors.

I am just trying to find the consistency of your thought. In the same verse that mentions the winepress, which seems you take metaphorically also mentions a sword coming out of His mouth, which you insist is literally.
I am just trying to understand how you pick and choose, seemingly at will or randomly, what you see as literal and what you see as a metaphor.

Seems preterists look elsewhere for a term, word of or phrase to see if it has been used before, and what it meant, using scripture as the arbiter.
No liberty that I can see from the preterist, but appears to be mucho liberty by some.

So explain if you will,how or why is the sword literal and the winepress is a metaphor?

Bowas · #**142** 10-11-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

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Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

So...He will be stomping in a wine press?
Like standing it in and stomping around in a wine press?

Bowas, I betcha that you never ridiculed verses like this before you became a preterist.

You are now the Bibles' biggest critic!

Look what they did to you bro.(all because you want it to mean something else)

I am not, nor do I ridicule the scriptures. I admit, I may from time to time question peoples interpretations, but the word is very sacred to me, which is why I try to understand it as it was written to be understood to whom it was addressed to.

Sean · #**143** 10-11-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

I am just trying to find the consistency of your thought. In the same verse that mentions the winepress, which seems you take metaphorically also mentions a sword coming out of His mouth, which you insist is literally.
I am just trying to understand how you pick and choose, seemingly at will or randomly, what you see as literal and what you see as a metaphor.

Seems preterists look elsewhere for a term, word of or phrase to see if it has been used before, and what it meant, using scripture as the arbiter.
No liberty that I can see from the preterist, but appears to be mucho liberty by some.

So explain if you will,how or why is the sword literal and the winepress is a metaphor?

Because a literal sword is depicted as physically coming out of His mouth.....

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

But the winepress is not proceeding from any part of His body.

It may be an analogy, but what if God calls this bloodbath, "a winepress".

Thanks Bowas, I will call Gods' bloodbath of destroying wicked Gentiles, "the winepress" also.

You are awesome bro.!

Sean · #**144** 10-11-2015, 12:33 PM

Wow, the things I learn from debating!

Sean · #**145** 10-11-2015, 12:36 PM

Gods' winepress...

HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Yeah, I like it!

mfblume · #**146** 10-11-2015, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Gods' winepress...

HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Yeah, I like it!

Contradiction. Real sword but not real wine press. This is inconsistency with no rhyme or reason.

Bowas · #**147** 10-11-2015, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Because a literal sword is depicted as physically coming out of His mouth.....

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

But the winepress is not proceeding from any part of His body.

It may be an analogy, but what if God calls this bloodbath, "a winepress".

Thanks Bowas, I will call Gods' bloodbath of destroying wicked Gentiles, "the winepress" also.

You are awesome bro.!

Oh I see now. If it is connected to or proceeding from a body, it is literal, but if the body is just standing in it or just touching something, it is a metaphor.

mfblume · #**148** 10-11-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Oh I see now. If it is connected to or proceeding from a body, it is literal, but if the body is just standing in it or just touching something, it is a metaphor.

Ha Ha!!! Yes, a systematic method to be sure!

thephnxman · #**149** 10-11-2015, 02:33 PM

Which tactic to use?

While I don't agree with the "winepress and sword" statements from Sean, if I
was to critic, then I would offer my "interpretation", and possibly make a positive
impression. I would not critic just for argument's sake or make fun of a Brother:
and Sean and many others here ARE Brothers. However, some...I have my doubts.

To the believers, "If a brother offends you..."; to others: do what you want.

Sean · #**150** 10-11-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Oh I see now. If it is connected to or proceeding from a body, it is literal, but if the body is just standing in it or just touching something, it is a metaphor.

Remember 2 years ago, when I told you the Book of Rev. was a book of "signs', not "methaphors"?

There, we have a book, that uses a few signs to explain an actuality.

Preterists have turned these signs into lies(metaphors).....

You see, a metaphor is not a sign, it is a lie......