My Take On Illegal Immigration

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Thanks, PP, for actually responding to my previous post.

Brethren, we are not going to solve this in a way that makes everybody happy--nor in a way that everybody thinks is fair. We are going to have to put forth a comprehensive process that attempts to address as much of the "human side" of the issue as possible, while taking great care to cover the "security side" of the issue.

There are going to be holes in the process, ways to slip through, and we will have to fix those, too.

But, two things...

1) We didn't get into this overnight, and we aren't going to get out of it any quicker than we got in.

2) We surely can't leave things as they are and expect everything to be okay. We must attempt SOMETHING.

Now, two more things...

1) We can't change our character and stop being compassionate...criminalizing everybody who is here attempting to surivive.

2) We can't just let my our borders remain so open that a terrorist can get through and all of our low end jobs are taken.

I agree w/ most of this post ... this isn't solved solely by heavy-handedness or reactionary politics.

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

if Pastor Poster had his way I'd lose half my church.

PP says SEND THEM HOME ... who cares!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit
Specifically, any effective reform program must:

1) encourage the undocumented population to come out of the shadows and earn legal status

2) provide fair and lawful ways for American businesses to hire much-needed
immigrant workers

3) reduce the unreasonable and counterproductive backlogs in family-based and employment-based immigration by reforming the permanent immigration system

4) protect our national security and the rule of law while preserving and restoring fundamental principles of due process and equal protection.

Finally some common sense ... not reactionary 1 or 2 step plans ... but an understanding of the multi-facetness and complexity of this issue that has a real human face on it, economic repercussions and our safety in mind.

However, those that "come of the shadows" will need to to know that PP is not herding them as cattle in the MASS DEPORTATION.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

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This is what happens when your politics is shaped by the ignorance and xenophobic hate-filled venom spewed by some on TALK RADIO ...

Gentlemen, if you're going to be intellectually dishonest ... bow out of this conversation ...

Fact is a growing number of illegals pay FEDERAL TAXES .... STOP THE FALLACIOUSNESS ...
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Illegal Immigrants File Income Tax Forms
By EUNICE MOSCOSO
Cox News Service
Tuesday, April 17, 2007
WASHINGTON — As Americans scramble to file their taxes by Tuesday's deadline, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are also paying Uncle Sam.

The number of filings this year could be a record as illegal immigrants try to establish a history of work and paying taxes in the United States in hopes of qualifying for a future legalization, immigrant advocates say.

Before you hyperventilate DA, again, your "great American" Sean Hannity is the 2nd biggest radio personality out there, behind Rush Limbaugh. So your temper-tantrums and name-callings include him.

Also, if you read the article you posted, you'd note that it's only recently that ILLEGALs began paying taxes. And they're only doing so in order to get amnesty in the future.

That's not from talk radio . . . that's from your own article.

The real FACT is that only within the past year to two years have ILLEGALs begun paying taxes . . . they haven't been paying taxes the whole time . . . so stop the tantrums.

And seriously, please, stop the name-calling. It's offensive. We're not xenophobes. We're not nazi's . . . or skinheads . . . or bigots. If all you can add to the conversation is hyperbole and name-calling, then just say no to posting.

We're simply pro-legal immigration.

And with that I must get my lazy carcass ready to go on the Sunday School bus run in a little while . . .

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Before you hyperventilate DA, again, your "great American" Sean Hannity is the 2nd biggest radio personality out there, behind Rush Limbaugh. So your temper-tantrums and name-callings include him.

Also, if you read the article you posted, you'd note that it's only recently that ILLEGALs began paying taxes. And they're only doing so in order to get amnesty in the future.

That's not from talk radio . . . that's from your own article.

The real FACT is that only within the past year to two years have ILLEGALs begun paying taxes . . . they haven't been paying taxes the whole time . . . so stop the tantrums.

And seriously, please, stop the name-calling. It's offensive. We're not xenophobes. We're not nazi's . . . or skinheads . . . or bigots. If all you can add to the conversation is hyperbole and name-calling, then just say no to posting.

We're simply pro-legal immigration.

And with that I must get my lazy carcass ready to go on the Sunday School bus run in a little while . . .

Eggggggggggghhhhhhhhh..... you are THE WEAKEST LINK

The ITTN has been a reality since at least 2002 ... stop skim reading ...

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Send these 2 to the border ... we'll be safer from the INVASION:

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Eggggggggggghhhhhhhhh..... you are THE WEAKEST LINK

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The ITTN has been a reality since at least 2002 ... stop skim reading ...

I didn't . . . I read the article. I know it's been around since that time, however, it's not always been used by ILLEGALs. You really think they want to put their personal information on IRS forms? Names. Addresses. Work info.

Not likely. And as was mentioned before, many ILLEGALs are paid cash under the table - especially here in the PHX area, so they don't pay taxes.

Also, important to note here; you've been saying that ILLEGALs have been paying all along . . . yet the ITTN has only been around for a little over 5 years. So which is it?

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The illegals I know have had theirs for at least 4 years ... no one claimed they were paying all along ... and many bonafide apple pie American waiters/waitresses and others claim money received "off the books" ... or as you want to nefariously portray it "under the table" ... at tax time

the facts remain ... that the myth is THEY DON'T PAY FEDERAL TAXES AT ALL ..WHEN MANY INDEED DO.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP says SEND THEM HOME ... who cares!!!!

I never said who cares. You just lied. I do have a problem with churches promoting illegal activity. I think Jesus would too.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Finally some common sense ... not reactionary 1 or 2 step plans ... but an understanding of the multi-facetness and complexity of this issue that has a real human face on it, economic repercussions and our safety in mind.

However, those that "come of the shadows" will need to to know that PP is not herding them as cattle in the MASS DEPORTATION.

I have no problem with them making things right. I have no problem with them staying if they go through proper channels like any other legal immigrant. But I find it troubling when the government forgives all illegality without seeing any repentance, or willingness, to move toward citizenship .

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The illegals I know have had theirs for at least 4 years ... no one claimed they were paying all along ... and many bonafide apple pie American waiters/waitresses and others claim money received "off the books" ... or as you want to nefariously portray it "under the table" ... at tax time

the facts remain ... that the myth is THEY DON'T PAY FEDERAL TAXES AT ALL ..WHEN MANY INDEED DO.

You intimated that they ALL paid federal income tax Daniel. Are you backing away from that claim?

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I never said who cares. You just lied. I do have a problem with churches promoting illegal activity. I think Jesus would too.

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As for your CHURCH POLICY .... and the church PROMOTING illegal activity ... no one is standing on the pulpit and saying DO IT ... but the fact remains people sit in our pews and are NOT PERFECT ... some are living in sin, not claiming all of their taxes, have numerous moving violations, don't wear their seatbelts, drive over the speed limit, etc. ...

as you seek to use the pejorative label as CRIMINAL on all illegals ... I think we have reached an impasse.

The UPCI has had a long-standing policy on illegals ... I challenge you to give D. Scott a call and find out what it is ....

I have no problem with them making things right. I have no problem with them staying if they go through proper channels like any other legal immigrant. But I find it troubling when the government forgives all illegality without seeing any repentance, or willingness, to move toward citizenship

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You want no amnesty ... PP ... that is your stated policy ....

REPENTANCE??? Do big US corporations go to the altar of gov't when billions of dollars are FORGIVEN when we issue TAX AMNESTIES ....???

An amnesty, under proper strictures, would allow them to make their situation right.... HELLLOOOO.

You intimated that they ALL paid federal income tax Daniel. Are you backing away from that claim?

Examine ALL of my posts on taxes and you will SEE HOW DEAD WRONG ... YOU ARE ....

then examine the absolutes stated by you and your blockhead compadre ... unequivocally stating that they don't ... AT ALL.

ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG .... you get your info from TALK RADIO callers.