Your tithes were already paid.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The difference is, the only priesthood found in the NT is that of the believer.

There is no difference, we were grafted in to that which has already existed.

Romans 11:24-26

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

[J.A. Perez]

I'm emphasizing on both fronts for a reason, God's original plan was to have his people reign with him as kings and priests. Remember he came to the Jew first and then we were grafted in because of the hardness of their heart. We became heirs of salvation because of their denial. The spiritual priesthood was all of Israel the literal priesthood was Levite after the order of Aaron. Gods design was to reestablish the priesthood of Melchisedek. So everything we saw in the law was a type and shadow of things to come. The ministry and the Saints but all kings and priests to God.

Hebrews 7:5-17
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest
should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The argument is made that Abraham and Jacob did not tie continually. But it is nonetheless right to say that they were the first recorded in history to pay a tithe.

Hebrews 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Clearly Chapter 7 is about a better priesthood and I better covenant. It is debated among scholars but if you search it out, you will understand that the apostle Paul was talking about himself in this verse. Receiving tithe. ( here man receive tithe) The other thing that is clear about this verse is that when you give tithe or offering, weather by money or food and arraignment, God receiveth them in heavenly places.( but there he receiveth them)

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What does this have to do with whether or not the modern teaching called "tithing" is the same as the Bible doctrine of tithing?

Colossians 3:22
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

If not giving, is considered robbing from God.
Where in scripture is that precedent set?

2 Corinthians 9:6
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Malachi 3:8,9
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me,
even this whole nation.

If you do not give to support the ministry, you are robbing God. And if you are robbing God you are robbing God of tithe and offering.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

There is no difference, we were grafted in to that which has already existed.

Romans 11:24-26

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

So then are you ready to publically declare that the 5 fold
New Testament ministry are equivalent to the tribe of Levi? Is your pastor your priest?

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So then are you ready to publically declare that the 5 fold
New Testament ministry are equivalent to the tribe of Levi? Is your pastor your priest?

Yes, spiritually we are all priests. I do give tithes and offerings, as unto the Lord.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Yes, spiritually we are all priests. I do give tithes and offerings, as unto the Lord.

My garden did not do well. Don't have tithes to give.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Yes, spiritually we are all priests. I do give tithes and offerings, as unto the Lord.

Calling Israel a nation of priests is not saying that every Israeli was a priest. The priesthood is obviously different than the rest of Israel. Non Levitical Jews were not called a priesthood. However, the believers in Christ are indeed referred to as a priesthood.

Furthermore, the laws surrounding the Levitical priesthood and the tithes that supported it were laid out by God in fine detail. If the New Covenant with its royal priesthood were to also have a tithe system, God would have also laid it out very plainly in fine detail as he did with the tithe of the old priesthood that was done way with. But no such tithe was taught by the Apostles. No percentage, no systematic funding system, just giving and trusting God to meet the need.

If you tell a blood bought saint he is robbing God by not giving 10% of his gross income to a church, you have told a lie plain and simple.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Yes, spiritually we are all priests. I do give tithes and offerings, as unto the Lord.

No. biblically you do not. You might give 10%, but you are not giving a tithe as taught by scripture.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Colossians 3:22
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

If not giving, is considered robbing from God.
Where in scripture is that precedent set?

2 Corinthians 9:6
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Malachi 3:8,9
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me,
even this whole nation.

If you do not give to support the ministry, you are robbing God. And if you are robbing God you are robbing God of tithe and offering.

Malachi is not talking about you. You are not a priest that was stealing sustenance set aside for the Levites. That is who those remarks were addressing. Your hermeneutics are sorely lacking.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Rudy

My garden did not do well. Don't have tithes to give.

Mine did great. But since the increase did not come from the land of Israel, God would not accept it.