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Old 10-28-2015, 05:39 PM
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Can't cast something out of someone that doesnt want it to go.

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Old 10-28-2015, 05:42 PM
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Re: The Falacy of "Holy Spirit Prompting."

If Saul/Paul's words are not to be taken as scripture, then it won't be long where all of what is written in the Bible will be excused away. A very slippery downward slope.
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:47 PM
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Re: The Falacy of "Holy Spirit Prompting."

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If Saul/Paul's words are not to be taken as scripture, then it won't be long where all of what is written in the Bible will be excused away. A very slippery downward slope.
It has been a long time since I encountered anyone who had this view....

They were horrible isolationists though.
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:04 PM
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Please prove your assertions regarding Paul
Saul was called an apostle only by himself and by Luke, who had no authority to name anyone as an Apostle

Saul was not called an apostle by any of the Twelve Apostles named by Jesus. Jesus never called Saul an apostle. The Twelve Apostles all had first hand training and commissioning by Jesus, Saul only saw a bright light, fell on the ground, and heard the disembodied voice of Jesus. There are only Twelve Apostles cited in John's Revelation, not 13. In his writings, Saul speaks of himself far more than he does Christ/God/The Lord. For instance, in 2 Cor. 4 he does so more than twice as often. None of the True Apostles ever call themselves "the chief of sinners" or any other derogatory names, but Saul does call himself that. Such a poor self image is not part of authentic Apostleship. Saul did not have doctrinal unity with the Twelve Apostles. The Twelve Apostles did not have any of the kinds of problems Saul had in his churches, hence his large volume of corrective writings. Saul falsely added many ideologies onto Christ's Gospel. For instance, he is the only NT writer to speak such convoluted and contrived nonsense about Grace. Jesus never once spoke the word Grace, and certainly did not demonstrate it as Saul tried to revise it. Revelator John quoted Jesus condemning false apostles at the Church of Ephesus, one of Paul's churches.

I have just done your work for you. I can educate you further, but such would fall on deaf ears and a stone heart. Pity. Saul was the first Professional Church Talker, and he talked so much in violation of Proverbs 10:19 that at one point a young man died. Saul's writings are very easy to preach about today because they are so milque toast and chatty, while Jesus' Words are very difficult to preach on. Jesus' Words are axiomatic, while Saul's are all suppositional.
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:07 PM
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It has been a long time since I encountered anyone who had this view....

They were horrible isolationists though.
Nope, A very solid up slope is to give the highest priority to the Words of Christ, and to relegate Saul's pitiful verbosity to that of an egocentric person with poor language skill. Saul's writings ramble, none of Jesus' or The Apostles' writings ever rsmble.
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:09 PM
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How dare you ask the self-proclaimed Solomon of the day to prove his words.
Is that a "Pentecostal" tent you are in, there in your little icon?
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:12 PM
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Someone needs to cast that demon of stupidity and arrogance out of him.
Step up, Saul Crouch, and do it. Lol. Are you able to babble in "Thu-Spee-Ritt!!?" Glow-Rehhh!! Yay-Yuss!!
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Can't cast something out of someone that doesnt want it to go.

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I can educate you further, but such would fall on deaf ears and a stone heart. Pity.
What an egomaniac.
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Nope, A very solid up slope is to give the highest priority to the Words of Christ, and to relegate Saul's pitiful verbosity to that of an egocentric person with poor language skill. Saul's writings ramble, none of Jesus' or The Apostles' writings ever rsmble.
If I were to list the wisest men in scripture, the top three...in order...would be Jesus, Paul, Solomon. The great apostle Paul had a keener insight into the Royal Law, and it's meaning in a post-calvary world, than any man in scripture save my Lord. Who is this, that speaks so foolishly about his own father in the Lord...assuming JoReba is a gentile?
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