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Old 11-05-2015, 07:33 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

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Old 11-05-2015, 07:37 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

well, wadr you were asked to excuse yourself at post #1, and for good reason imo. No offense.
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I would like to hear from those who were not raised believing preterism/partial preterism, who went from the rapture/end times teaching to that. I am not interested in another debate on it. I seriously would like to hear from those who have changed their beliefs in this area and what lead to it.

If you believe in the rapture, no need to respond or debate in this thread as I would like to be able to read what caused people to change their thinking on this subject. I pose this as a serious question. It is something I have not yet studied and I am curious as to what lead to people changing their views, especially in light of how some apostolic groups, such as the UPC, take a strong stand against preterism.

Thank you in advance for sharing---Benincasa, Blume, Esaias & others!
having come to Christ with the futurist model, i began to accept some elements of preterism after witnessing the fruit of pure futurism, which to me seemed to culminate in an attitude of "my real life will begin someday, after i die or am raptured," and elicited comments--on this forum--such as "it's ok to trash the planet, since God is going to remake it anyway." Although I'm sure this doesn't rep all futurists.

I was then shown that rapture doctrine is not new, and Ezekiel condemned it, and that it did not come back up until the end of the 19th century, some woman whose name i forget. Now, something described--or at least translated--as "miraculous" obviously happens there in 1Cor15:52, and I'm frankly not sure how a full preterist interprets that (and i don't really care), so I'll let a preterist explain that part; but there is this, from Ephesians 5,

"14for what makes everything clear is light. Therefore it is said: Get up, sleeper, and rise up from the dead, and the Messiah will shine on you."

and i also became convicted that "Understand I AM" is written with the "am" as emphatic and not as titular, which to me would be "I Am," although this is strictly my conviction--that God is about right now, the only place you will ever be. I just also became convicted, through their fruit mostly, that futurism is a trap to keep people asleep.

Now this doesn't mean that i don't have some hope of a different future in Christ, but that I am the body of Christ--will Christ then bodily return, having then two bodies? For a physical crown, won through violence, blood running up to horse's bridles? The Revelation to me now describes a much more likely, spiritual process that must occur in a believer's heart. There is also a "step by step" reference in Rev that i cannot now find that had an impact.

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Benincasa is merely a coward, and will not give his explanation....ever.
You know I don't know who is more insane here? You or me for even holding a conversation with you. Sean answer my questions. While you are at it tell me how 2nd Kings 17 and 2nd Kings 18 have anything to do with Micah? What happened to the high places? What happened to Sennachrib?

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Obviously you don't either because you are refuse to answer me
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Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you bfirst placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.

Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.
Sean?????
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Okay, my turn, when did this happen guys?.....


Micah 4(Chapter 4)
4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it....
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Old 11-05-2015, 07:48 AM
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I grow weary, being the Bible answer man to folks that do not believe in future prophecy.

Especially those that NEVER explain what they believe, because they are embarrased to show their explanation in public.
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I don't think even full preterists deny that heaven has not yet fully come to earth, Sean.
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and again, you were asked to recuse yourself at the OP, so...
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