Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 62

Godsdrummer · #**611** 11-06-2015, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly! It's not replacement, it's INCLUSION/. But some folks cannot read.

Dispensationalism says the JEWS will be the leaders of the world and the Church in the future. Meanwhile God tore down the middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile in the cross, and that means there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Church. And that means God will not exalt a Jew or gentile above the other. Otherwise He is a transgressor and builds up what he tore down. Dispensationalism makes God a transgressor.

Eph 2:14 KJV For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Gal 2:18 KJV For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

Gal 3:28 KJV There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 KJV Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Dispensationalism is vile and teaches the racism and the building up of what God destroyed.

Reading the prophets and the law the religious faction of the Jews were looking for a political kingdom to come free them from the oppression of Rome.
Yet there is only one kingdom prophesied in the OT, and John came declaring "the kingdom of God was coming", Jesus sent his disciples out to declare "the kingdom of God is come".

Jesus declared that his kingdom was not a earthly kingdom, to which the apostles reiterated in their epistles. So if the kingdom of God has come, what kingdom is yet to come? And if the kingdom is not political nor earthly why are some still looking for such to come?

Sean · #**612** 11-06-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Where in the world do you get that Sean, learn to read. We never replace anyone. There you go with your lies again.

Loren, you have eliminated the notion of a future nation of Israel from the promise of Jer. 31, etc. from their promise of God.

You have effectively replaced Israel with the church, using these promises to the nation of Israel for yourselves.(eliminating them in the process)

These promises in Jer. 31, are in no way, null and void to the nation of Israel(Jews), as preterists teach.

You call yourselves inclusionists, but you really are replacementists.(replacing the NATION of Israel with the church)

I am the true inclusionist here!(I teach that we are INCLUDED in the nation of Israels' future promise of Jer. 31.)

Sean · #**613** 11-06-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Indeed so!

We have been included into the future promise(found in Hebrews 8 and Jer. 31) of Millennial, national Israel

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Heb. 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

I am the true inclusionist!

Sean · #**614** 11-06-2015, 02:17 PM

This is the unbreakable promise to the nation of Israel(quoting Jer. 31)...

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This is how the church is INCLUDED in the same promise to future nation of Israel(in Hebrews 8).....

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

They way that ALL of national Israel will be Spirit filled as Jer. 31 shows us, we are simply INCLUDED in this exact same covenant to the Nation of Israel in the future, when Christ returns to them.

We receive the Holy Ghost today, because of an inclusion into national Israels' future covenant.

Sean · #**615** 11-06-2015, 02:23 PM

Again, preterists lie and say they are inclusive to the nation of Israel, when all along, they teach and think they are the REPLACEMENT to Israel.

Sean · #**616** 11-06-2015, 02:23 PM

That(replacement theology) is why preterists so rabidly deny that the nation of Israel today, are Gods' people.

Sean · #**617** 11-06-2015, 02:39 PM

Watch this folks, they will now proceed to bash the nation of Israel

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Carl · #**618** 11-06-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

That(replacement theology) is why preterists so rabidly deny that the nation of Israel today, are Gods' people.

Does modern day Israel or the people living there consider themselves to be the fulfillment of all those Old Testament prophecies?

Sean · #**619** 11-06-2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Does modern day Israel or the people living there consider themselves to be the fulfillment of all those Old Testament prophecies?

Not likely, but God is simply a promise keeper.

If Jesus returned today, for example, Benjamin Netanyahu and all of his living descendants, along with all of Israel, will unworthily be saved and recieve the Holy Ghost.

Why?

Because of some promises to these guys...

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.(meaning, God keeps his promises to the fathers' as He declares)

Monterrey · #**620** 11-06-2015, 04:14 PM

I love Israel, I am a part of Israel, it is the Church.

Not Replacement theology Sean, but fulfillment theology.

That is something that is hard for you to fathom.

Replacement means something takes the place of something else...

Fulfillment means that everything is fulfilled.

The physical OT people of Israel were a shadow of the NT people of Israel who are the Church.

OT is fullfilled in the New.

But....

For someone who cannot even grasp simple things this is going to be too hard.