Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 76

Sean · #**751** 11-08-2015, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

start answering my questions.

Oh, you mean continue to answer your questions for years to come, but by no means, ask you a question...

Right!

Sean · #**752** 11-08-2015, 07:47 AM

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....

Zechariah 12King James Version (KJV)

12 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....

mfblume · #**753** 11-08-2015, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Oh, you mean continue to answer your questions for years to come, but by no means, ask you a question...

Right!

See. I told you you cannot read.

I said this days ago....

Tell you what... You answer this and I will personally answer your question you mentioned...

How can the leaves of the tree of life keep people from dying in heaven, preventing them for getting sick otherwise, if the tree is in the city and the city leaves and comes out of heaven?

Sean · #**754** 11-08-2015, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

See. I told you you cannot read.

I said this days ago....

Tell you what... You answer this and I will personally answer your question you mentioned...

How can the leaves of the tree of life keep people from dying in heaven, preventing them for getting sick otherwise, if the tree is in the city and the city leaves and comes out of heaven?

Okay, Mike.....

The New Jerusalem City, leaves one area of heaven to another area of heaven to be presented.

The New Jerusalem City is approx. 1500 miles square and it fits quite well in and endless heaven.

Now that your question is answered, I am ready for your answers!

Sean · #**755** 11-08-2015, 08:23 AM

Now, Mike. Whether you agree with me or not, I answered your question.
I want you to answer this now, whether I agree with you or not, okay?

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....

Zechariah 12King James Version (KJV)

12 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....

Sean · #**756** 11-08-2015, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....

Zechariah 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....
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If you do not like Zech 12, then try Zech 14.

Monterrey · #**757** 11-08-2015, 08:44 AM

Sean, what are the living waters mentioned in verse 8? Do you believe those waters to be literal waters or spiritual?

The problem with your interpretation of Zechariah 13-14 is that there is too much spiritual in there for it to work with your literal physical interpretation.

I am not wanting to fight with you but most of us have already been over this ground already. This is exactly some of the verses that turned many away from dispensationalism and it's total literal physical view.

Monterrey · #**758** 11-08-2015, 08:46 AM

What is the feast of tabernacles?

Do you believe that to be observed physically also?

The other two feasts both had spiritual fulfillment.

Passover in Jesus' death and Pentecost in Acts 2:38.

How is the feast of tabernacles going to be fulfilled in your eyes?

Monterrey · #**759** 11-08-2015, 08:49 AM

So is Jesus going to physically stand on the Mount of Olives, which by the way has ceased to exist in the form that it existed then, and the physical mountain is going to split in an earthquake?

Is that what you believe?

Sean · #**760** 11-08-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sean, what are the living waters mentioned in verse 8? Do you believe those waters to be literal waters or spiritual?

Yes.

The problem with your interpretation of Zechariah 13-14 is that there is too much spiritual in there for it to work with your literal physical interpretation.

My "interpretation" is simply believing what it says.

I am not wanting to fight with you but most of us have already been over this ground already. This is exactly some of the verses that turned many away from dispensationalism and it's total literal physical view.

Hey bro., It also heals the polluted waters of the Tribulation period.

May I ask you this?

What happened to your faith in the supernatural miracles of God over the years.

Why cannot there be a supernatural river proceeding from the throne as it says?

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.