Once Saved Always Saved

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

To answer your question...un repented sin condemns to hell...period.

Who here believes that it's important to walk before God with a pure heart and a clean conscience?

Is the forgiveness? Certainly. The bible tells us how to attain it.
I John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If it were not possible to walk before God in holiness the John would have never written "that ye sin not" . Yet, recognizing that flesh is prone to wander he also wrote "but if any man sin."

I'm thankful for God's mercy if I do sin and confess it before him, and I'm thankful for the day by day walk in the Spirit that is able to keep me from sinning.

I tell people" if you sin everyday then you need to pray through". I believe holiness is sinlessness.

Some people read John's words "And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father..." and they go 'Woo-hoo! Got my get-out-of-jail-free card to use whenever I need it!'

John did not say 'And when any man sins...' but 'And IF any man sin'. "If" is a mighty big word, when taken at face value...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I will take your word that you do not sin. But please listen to your brothers that tell you it is impossible for them not to sin.

you deceive yourself if you believe you no longer sin.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What I found exposes OSAS for the error that it is is its proponents' understanding of what Romans 6 through 7 teaches. If a person believes Romans 7's description of Paul saying he could never really do the good he wanted to do applies to all believers until Jesus comes, as though we can never get victory, that person will be prey to a degree to OSAS. OSAS teaches we can never really get victory over sin. And THAT LED to the OSAS doctrine that you can sin and still be saved. It's based upon the idea no one could ever make it to heaven if there was not OSAS, because we cannot have that much victory. But Romans 7 is not teaching every believer can never get victory over sin, but teaching that those believers who do not learn how to be led by and walk after the Spirit cannot have victory.

This is very good. Romans 7 is teaching about how the law could never, by itself, help us to overcome our sinful natures, but praise be to God, Romans 8 shows us that there is a better way provided to us through Calvary where the law of the spirit provides the overcoming power in our lives to be free from the law of sin and death, as we walk after the law of the spirit in Christ.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Romans 8 provides hope after the Romans 7 "O wretched man that I am" ... through Jesus Christ in Romans 8 we can be "more than conquerors"!

[shazeep]

amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

But then of course there is always the question of just what is sin, which seems to be we cannot come to an agreement on that question.

To many sin is that which their church by laws deem sin based on traditions of men.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But then of course there is always the question of just what is sin, which seems to be we cannot come to an agreement on that question.

To many sin is that which their church by laws deem sin based on traditions of men.

ya--it is hard to include oneself in "you eat, and wipe your mouth, and say you have done nothing wrong." While it will not strike many as "fair" or whatever, satan intentionally places us in this position, and we commit sins of omission as well as commission as a result. Our purchases fund slavery, etc.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A good tree cannot produce bad fruit please explain.

Do you believe you are a good tree or a bad tree?

I believe all are bad trees

[shazeep]

"why do you call Me good?"

[shazeep]

doesn't mean you aren't forgiven; but don't get cocky!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

You need to study Romans 6. A defeatist attitude that says we must have sinned even if we can't think of when is symptom of a false belief.