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Old 06-04-2007, 10:32 PM
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Litmus test on how they view the authority of Scripture?

Whatever happened to the fruit of the Spirit?
EXACLTY. The litmus test is love for one another. Explicitly spoken as such.
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EXACLTY. The litmus test is love for one another. Explicitly spoken as such.
Yeah, but does anyone really care what Jesus said about that???
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We have accused other groups such as the JW and the Mormons for using one passage or verse as pretext for doctrine .... yet here we are .... doing the same ....
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Isn't it time you buy a new suit? Thread bare should be a clue????
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I came across an interesting book a number of years ago that, at least for me, shed valuable light on this whole "hairy" topic. The gist of portions of it was that the "authority" the woman had regarding her hair was the authority she had over it HERSELF. It is not that she has authority ON her head, it is that she has authority OVER her head.

At the price of a long laborious post and criticism for doing so and the fact that I HATE long posts, I will post a portion of which I am referring to. It may take a couple of posts, but I think it is worth it. If you don't, that is fine as well.
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I came across an interesting book a number of years ago that, at least for me, shed valuable light on this whole "hairy" topic. The gist of portions of it was that the "authority" the woman had regarding her hair was the authority she had over it HERSELF. It is not that she has authority ON her head, it is that she has authority OVER her head.

At the price of a long laborious post and criticism for doing so and the fact that I HATE long posts, I will post a portion of which I am referring to. It may take a couple of posts, but I think it is worth it. If you don't, that is fine as well.
Thanks for posting. I would love to know if your reference material is something I have already seen before or someone I haven't read yet. Please post your source so I can read more. I appreciate you greatly!
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My thread! You've ruined my beautiful thread!!!!


I for one feel terrible about my role in troubling you.

You are visibly upset.

The gigantic font.
Changing the text color.
Inserting the arm-pit washing smiley-head.

Hey man,
for this cause,
forgive me.
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I for one feel terrible about my role in troubling you.

You are visibly upset.

The gigantic font.
Changing the text color.
Inserting the arm-pit washing smiley-head.

Hey man,
for this cause,
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You are a very perceptive young man!
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We can prove that the usual interpretation of St. Paul’s words about veiling is wrong, because it is a misfit all around.

MISFIT#1 Dr. Weymouth, substitutes something totally different from what the text says. The text reads, “ought to have power,” while Dr. Weymouth, following the usual interpretation, says, “ought to have “power,” here exousia, meaning authority, right; the same word for “power,” and preposition for on, epi, (often translated “over”), with the same construction, will be found in many places, - for instance, Rev. 11:6, “They have power over waters to turn them to blood.” and likewise in Matthew, Mar, and Luke, in the sentence, “The Son of Man hath power on earth to forgive sins.” Furthermore, the original text here has never been called into question the reading is as simple as it could possibly be, “The woman ought to have power over (rendered “on” in the English Versions) her head. No scholar questions this.

At this place, the Authorised Version introduces the longest Marginal Note to be found in the whole Bible. Where Paul says, “ought to have power,” the Note reads, “That is, a covering in sign that she is under the power of her husband.” This is certainly a most extraordinary substitute for the words of Scripture. Had it read merely, that she was to be “under power” even that would have been a contradiction of the explicit statement of St. Paul; but they add to this contradicting though: The woman is not only expected to yield to authority, instead of wielding authority, but also to “wear a sign” that she renounces the authority Paul gives her. And not only is she to renounce that authority, but to renounce it in favour of a particular person, - her husband. The BIBLE/St. Paul says nothing of this sort, but the Marginal Note, and the Bible Commentators teach it.

For our part, we think it suspicious because that husbands, not wives, have discovered this extraordinary meaning for St. Paul’s words. If indeed a woman should wear “a sign of subjection” (and scholars can produce no Scriptural proof that a veil is a sign of subjection) then why should it not rather be a sign of subjection to God, who she serves in prophesying, or who she addresses in prayer?

Why is the husband thrust in by husbands, at this point? Dr. J.W. Thirtle makes the sensible remark here, “The context puts in no plea for anyone outside the woman: it is THE WOMAN’S OWN AUTHORITY that is in question, and the Apostle defends it with his decisive OUGHT.” (the capitals are Dr. Thirtle’s)
The phrase in verse 10 is manifestly a conclusion – the ergo – of all the foregoing arguments of the passage. Now we ask, If you were arguing a point, would you, or would you not, know the point you were arguing? Certainly you would know it. And would know how to state your point? Certainly, even if you could not argue it, for you have your right mind. St. Paul was a highly intelligent person, and to pretend that he know how to argue a point, but could not express the point in plain words, is puerile.

Whether Paul knew how to argue clearly or not, he knew how to state what he was arguing about, or St. Paul’s intelligence was far below the average man’s. And when we believe that St. Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit in what he wrote, then we must yield at once that verse 10 means what it says, and we dare not reject its teaching for the “vain traditions of men.”
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