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mfblume · #**211** 11-20-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

"I invited you to discuss "versions", and give your interpretation to show Muslims aren't lost, and you refused."

i have not refused, you just aren't hearing the answer, with all due respect. [b][u]Any Muslim practicing "love one another" as best they are able is following the cross, as the Qur'an instructs them to do.[/quote]

All I have time for is the answer to the above.

You are saying MOSLEMS have FAITH IN THE CROSS

So you can have faith in the cross while denying the work of the cross grants us righteousness that cannot be achieved without the death of Jesus? You actually believe the Moslems teach this? They teach without the cross of Jesus all our acts of loving one another would be useless? They are baptized into His death and they have been crucified with Christ because we see them loving one another?

You've just made the cross a salvation by works deal, without supplying any righteousness before we do one good deed of love for anyone.

CHRISLAM at its finest! Salvation by works!

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Any Christian who has taken the first step of Acts 2:38, and then believes they are saved without works, i caution.

They are saved without works. Now they need to manifest works to serve God., but not to get saved.

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"What the GS did does not SAVE US. Agreed?"
"11For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdomt of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you." so, nope. gotta run!

You think the GS's acts save us? That's salvation by works!

Gotta run as well.

shazeep · #**212** 11-20-2015, 12:05 PM

doing what the Good Samaritan did will save one because it is done from a pure heart, not from hope of redemption by it. But really, it is best if i just agree with you, from your pov, and say that yes, it is salvation by works, without which you are lost. Your fruit will bear this out, one way or another.

shazeep · #**213** 11-20-2015, 12:10 PM

an interesting corollary is that Acts 2:38 salvation produces futurists, who only later might come to some form of preterism. No one is initially a preterist. Virtually everyone, after baptism, initially holds that their part is done, and they are just waiting for Christ to return--to "save them" again! Just think about it--that is the message that every new OP hears, whether it is meant or not. It is a lie.

shazeep · #**214** 11-20-2015, 01:09 PM

another reflection is that you seek to justify "All Muslims are lost," but this is disingenuous: OP dictates that Baptists are lost, JWs are lost, Trinny Pents are lost, and even people who are not "baptized correctly" are lost, because they do not adhere to your doctrine; not because they do not practice love. I don't mean to imply that all OPs feel that way, but "us 4 and no more" is not a cliche for nothing.

So, the focus stays on Acts 2:38, and "baptizing correctly," even re-baptizing people, and staying a thousand miles away from "A good deed covers many sins," half of Scripture iow; thus effectively denying the work of the cross. It is a sin, nothing less.

shazeep · #**215** 11-20-2015, 01:31 PM

Aquila · #**216** 11-20-2015, 02:11 PM

Muslims don't believe that Jesus died for them. They also believe it is blasphemy to call Him the Son of God.

They are not Christian. Those are the facts.

shazeep · #**217** 11-20-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Muslims don't believe that Jesus died for them. They also believe it is blasphemy to call Him the Son of God.

They are not Christian. Those are the facts.

well, as we have been discussing, one's beliefs do not save them. Yes, they hold their mouth differently @ "Son of God," so what. We have Christian priests who believe all of those things, but have no problem judging others out loud. God does not judge what one says they believe, and nowhere in Scripture can that be quoted, except that hypocrites say one thing and do another. You condemn Muslims, and fail to mention that every other Christian who does not believe like you do is condemned, also, if you adhere to OP doctrine. Those are also the facts.

Don't kid yourself that those crying "Lord, Lord" from one side of their mouths and "They are all lost" from the other will fool God. "Facts" always seem to end up being "the 'facts' that help me make my point," and every splinter-group has their own set, OPs included. "Love one another" has no sect, and needs no religion, nor any twisting of Scripture to make its point.

Sean · #**218** 11-20-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Cant you see this as a form of evangelism for satanism, shazeep?

Sean · #**219** 11-20-2015, 05:09 PM

They want to appear, nice as pie.

shazeep · #**220** 11-20-2015, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

They want to appear, nice as pie.

hey, i agree. that is not the point though. When some guy offers to walk with you down a dark alley, no strings attached, that is a Good Deed. And, as uncomfortable as it may make us, "a good deed covers many sins" is not qualified in any way that i can tell. God could care less what you call yourself; it is what you do that matters. One can be just as guilty of prejudice against some confused soul calling themselves a "satanist" as against anyone else, i guess. Maybe they were raped by a deacon--who knows?