Psychology: Science or Religion?

Originally Posted by LaGirl

why do you think psychology is worldy?

Because it is not based in the truths of God's word.

Originally Posted by LaGirl

i dont know who you have been talking to, but i know of NO CHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGIST that thinks this way!

Originally Posted by LaGirl

where did you get these myths from?

Our own Rhoni (among others) has suggested (in another forum) that (to quote what you highlighted from my post) "the best kind of counseling utilizes both psychology and the Bible." and has suggested that she and those in her field (again quoting the section of my post you highlighted) "are more qualified to help people understand themselves and change their behavior than are other Christians (including pastors and elders) who are not trained in psychology."

By the way, just because you don't know of any Christian psychologist that thinks this way does not negate it, particularly since I doubt you know every Christian psychologist or even the majority of Christian psychologists. Then, of course, there are those who are not psychologists but who are psychotherapists.

Originally Posted by LaGirl

does your pastor do any counsiling?

Your question is not relevant: there is no such thing as "counsiling." There is, however, such a thing as "counseling." Are you suggesting that all the "counselors" mentioned in the Bible were psychologists or psychiatrists? Do you think that the prophet, in referring to Jesus as the Counselor, meant that Jesus would become a psychiatrist or psychologist?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Chan

Your question is not relevant: there is no such thing as "counsiling." There is, however, such a thing as "counseling." Are you suggesting that all the "counselors" mentioned in the Bible were psychologists or psychiatrists? Do you think that the prophet, in referring to Jesus as the Counselor, meant that Jesus would become a psychiatrist or psychologist?

So many questions are answered DIRECTLY by Scripture and if not directly it is answered by applied principles. Trouble is that we have to do our homework and study for some answers....we don't want to do that.

[Trouvere]

There is counseling ministry available to all saints not just pastors for ministry if you feel called in this area you can be trained.You can check it out at
www.awpministries.org

BTW Brother Chan they also welcome men to the seminars.Its not just for women.
I think you would approve of the training and sources used.

[sherr34]

I personally think that the church as a whole needs to have some form of understanding Psychology. God made each one of us different. I just found out not to long ago that I have a Medical Condition that is very hard to detect at times. And my medical condition is Genetic, but it can also come from other things that happen to us. I hope Rhoni sees this Thred.

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

So many questions are answered DIRECTLY by Scripture and if not directly it is answered by applied principles. Trouble is that we have to do our homework and study for some answers....we don't want to do that.

Heaven forbid that we should actually STUDY the word of God and let God's Spirit actually lead us into all truth!

What you said is exactly the problem: we don't want to look to the word of God ourselves. We want others to do the work for us. We want others to tell us why we do the things we do or feel the things we feel. We want answers that don't require us to take responsibility. We want to be made to feel good about ourselves in all our circumstances. We don't want the light of God's word shining into the deepest recesses of our hearts.

"Men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil."

Originally Posted by sherr34

I personally think that the church as a whole needs to have some form of understanding Psychology. God made each one of us different. I just found out not to long ago that I have a Medical Condition that is very hard to detect at times. And my medical condition is Genetic, but it can also come from other things that happen to us. I hope Rhoni sees this Thred.

No, we don't need to have some understanding of that wicked worldly philosophy called "psychology." We need a thorough understanding of God and His word.

[sherr34]

Chan,
You can have your opinion I will have mine. The Lord made the Mind and we need people that can understand it. I know you would blast my statement that is why I will not mention what I have. I would help the Pastors in the World to help understand people more if they had some kind of course taken in Psychology. What I have is Genetic and is a medical condition but people would blast me if I said what I have. So many people would think that I am weak but I have a very strong faith in God. I used to sing in the church choir teach sunday school and do other things, but since my medical condition I have not been able to do that. Do I look different no I just have a medical condition that has to be treated with Medicine and Therapy. And I need lots of patience from people and kindness and support.

Originally Posted by sherr34

Chan,
You can have your opinion I will have mine. The Lord made the Mind and we need people that can understand it.

Understand it, yes; but understand according to the word of God and not according to the theories of some wicked worldly philosophy like psychology.