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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, praying for you, Mike. I'm sure you appreciate it.

I'd take all the prayer I can get!

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Originally Posted by shazeep

the culmination of Galatians

what matters is faith working through love.

12I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!
(i know just how he feels )

14For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself.

What about deeds of the law justifying no one, and the deeds of the law only came to prove man cannot make himself righteous by works?

I notice you don't get into that.

Like I said...

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Originally Posted by mfblume

What about deeds of the law justifying no one, and the deeds of the law only came to prove man cannot make himself righteous by works?

I notice you don't get into that.

Like I said...

i have dealt with that at least three times; go find one of them, and reply to it. For a change.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i have dealt with that at least three times; go find one of them, and reply to it. For a change.

You are ask me to reply for a change?

Bye Shaz. Been a hoot.

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you would do better to equate deeds of the law with OP standards.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Pick a verse I posted and prove to me you're serious, because I cannot see it in you. You're stalling.

Tell you what... deal with this one, as silly as it is to say ONE VERSE.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Verses are not meant to contain an entire thought, but are for reference sake. But anyway, let's see what you do.

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

"You have come to obey from your heart" so, right back to good deeds, in the end.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

"You have come to obey from your heart" so, right back to good deeds, in the end.

You want it to be salvation by works. See ya, I said

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Originally Posted by mfblume

You want it to be salvation by works. See ya, I said

It isn't that, as Romans makes clear. And, every, single other "faith" verse you might name. Do you have another NT verse? Because they will all, without exception, lead one to love, and good deeds. Truthfully, many OPs get this, too. It does always seem to be the older ones, no longer paying dues or whatever tho. You just want it to be effortless, a little magic prayer that one can say, and feel better for a while.

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and look, i'm not even blaming you--i remember the trepidation.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

It isn't that, as Romans makes clear. And, every, single other "faith" verse you might name. Do you have another NT verse? Because they will all, without exception, lead one to love, and good deeds. Truthfully, many OPs get this, too. It does always seem to be the older ones, no longer paying dues or whatever tho. You just want it to be effortless, a little magic prayer that one can say, and feel better for a while.

Of course they lead to that. But salvation is being made righteous, and righteousness is a free gift granted before we do a single good deed. And the death of Jesus "as us" must be believed to have that. You deny anything to do with the absolute need for his death as our righteousness. And you're too proud to see you need to learn this.