I Don't Think God "Creates" Anything Any More

[shazeep]

The doctrine of Original Sin is hideous, as applied. That much is true, imo.

As to the question of whether God creates sinners, understand that the question expresses a perspective of people, and may not be the best question to answer what you really want to know. In the model you are currently struggling with, all sinners who aren't saved are lost and suffer in hell for eternity; and your perspective on these interpretations is likely to evolve as you get older.

Does God create saints? Did God cause you to commit your first sin? So even from a fundamental perspective--which is arguably not the best frame for seeking God's love--your question is pre-loaded, so to speak; and, you might get many answers to it, that you could not prove or disprove anyway.

A popular one, that a more creation centered Christian might adopt, which gets away from the oppressive doctrine of OS model, is that you are created perfect, but in a fallen world. Therefore you inevitably sin because the world is fallen/you have an ego, selfish desires, etc. Disregarding whether hell even exists for the moment--and there is quite a valid debate about that--and other questions as to the exact nature of hell--which no one actually knows, regardless of what they tell you--what is universally accepted is that you have free will, and may seek God, but God does not coerce you to have faith in Him.

If it makes you feel any better, there are interpretations of Scripture wherein Christ's sacrifice covers everyone in the world's sins, and hell becomes Gehenna, and is experienced in a believer's physical lifetime; and no doctorate in theology can prove this to be wrong conclusively using Scripture.

God is love; He is not a tyrant, setting traps to send as many people to hell as He can. Preoccupation with punishment comes from religion, not Scripture. Bear in mind that fundamentalists may be the terrorists of most any society--i just read something to this effect, and it made some good points. I would let the Holy Spirit guide you, and suspect everyone else's information.

[Sean]

Children do not inherit Adams' sin, but they inherit Adams' sin nature.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

Children do not inherit Adams' sin, but they inherit Adams' sin nature.

The result, however, is still the same-- all humans are born stained by sin and in need of Jesus.

All humans who die without Jesus are lost, but I have been taught in the past that the eternal destination of the baby is based on the salvational status of the parents at the time of the baby's death. Now, biblically, I can't support that position.

If God is personally creating every human being today, is He creating their spirit, their body, all of the above? Is God creating sin-stained babies?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The result, however, is still the same-- all humans are born stained by sin and in need of Jesus.

Agreed.


All humans who die without Jesus are lost, but I have been taught in the past that the eternal destination of the baby is based on the salvational status of the parents at the time of the baby's death. Now, biblically, I can't support that position.

I heard that also, but I realized later that is not Biblical. Jesus said about non-born again children, "theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
He did not say that about non-born again adults though.


If God is personally creating every human being today, is He creating their spirit, their body, all of the above? Is God creating sin-stained babies?

He creates perfection. the presence of sin damages creation.

For example, the sin of Hiroshima damages generations of what would be beautiful creation.

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[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

He creates perfection. the presence of sin damages creation.

For example, the sin of Hiroshima damages generations of what would be beautiful creation.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...68&FORM=IQFRBA

Thank you.

[Sean]

You are very welcome, my brother!