Guns and the Bible

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

Evil men break in my house and try to rape my wife and daughter, I'll do whatever I can to stop them. Carnal or not...
What would U do Monterrey?
Serious question.

You all sure talk about rape a lot on this forum.

My lands my mother died at the age of 80, and never was raped once.

Always these "if" blah blah, blah, so what would you do scenarios.

But, come on, you all say if someone tried to rape your wife, your daughter, your grandmother, or who ever else. But never think about what if you aren't there? What happens if you aren't there? How about this story, sadly it's true. Biker hung out with the wrong group, they send two guys over to whack him. Biker answers the door there stands the two killers, Biker has his gun pointed at them but they shoot him in the head. His wife and 5 year old son, and 3 year old daughter are still in the house.

They run to see what just happened. Wife is holding the Mossberg 500 Persuader, but receives a 38.cal round in the neck. 5 year old goes to run out door gets one in the back of the head. Killers go to leave, but one remembers that the family had a three year old, so he went looking for her. Well he found her hiding behind a dresser, scared and clutching a toy car. The murderer did not use a gun, he used his Buck knife. Sorry, to post this, but honestly, I know all those with more than a 600 count of Testosterone think they are Bruce Lee, and Rambo (not Dottie) all rolled into one.

But seriously folks more than half of you would probably blow a hole into your cat before you would stop the house invader. Or wet yourself when you heard them rummaging through your dresser.

As for the sound of a shotgun chambering a round, some times that just alerts them to where you are standing. Therefore since Mr Bolt Action just gave up his position, they jut need to wait for him to come out in the open where he can become an easier target. But this all depends on why they are there in the first place.

Faith is a big item, and whether or not we can trust a God who got three guys out of a burning oven. You can disarm someone without using deadly force, you can restrain someone without deadly force. But even that may get you into a major situation which may have a bad outcome. Just remember folks, guns don't shoot by themselves. More times than I care to remember I have heard stories of people pulling a trigger and killing a loved one when they thought they were stopping an intruder.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You all sure talk about rape a lot on this forum.

My lands my mother died at the age of 80, and never was raped once.

Always these "if" blah blah, blah, so what would you do scenarios.

But, come on, you all say if someone tried to rape your wife, your daughter, your grandmother, or who ever else. But never think about what if you aren't there? What happens if you aren't there? How about this story, sadly it's true. Biker hung out with the wrong group, they send two guys over to whack him. Biker answers the door there stands the two killers, Biker has his gun pointed at them but they shoot him in the head. His wife and 5 year old son, and 3 year old daughter are still in the house.

They run to see what just happened. Wife is holding the Mossberg 500 Persuader, but receives a 38.cal round in the neck. 5 year old goes to run out door gets one in the back of the head. Killers go to leave, but one remembers that the family had a three year old, so he went looking for her. Well he found her hiding behind a dresser, scared and clutching a toy car. The murderer did not use a gun, he used his Buck knife. Sorry, to post this, but honestly, I know all those with more than a 600 count of Testosterone think they are Bruce Lee, and Rambo (not Dottie) all rolled into one.

But seriously folks more than half of you would probably blow a hole into your cat before you would stop the house invader. Or wet yourself when you heard them rummaging through your dresser.

As for the sound of a shotgun chambering a round, some times that just alerts them to where you are standing. Therefore since Mr Bolt Action just gave up his position, they jut need to wait for him to come out in the open where he can become an easier target. But this all depends on why they are there in the first place.

Faith is a big item, and whether or not we can trust a God who got three guys out of a burning oven. You can disarm someone without using deadly force, you can restrain someone without deadly force. But even that may get you into a major situation which may have a bad outcome. Just remember folks, guns don't shoot by themselves. More times than I care to remember I have heard stories of people pulling a trigger and killing a loved one when they thought they were stopping an intruder.

I think I follow you:
Don't plan for ridiculous scenarios that will likely never happen.
Don't use guns for protection.
Tell my wife not to use our guns for protection if an unlikely scenario happens like while she's homeschooling our kids everyday and I'm gone working, because we need true faith in God to protect our loved ones, without the use of guns for self defense.

Did I understand the basics of your response to my post accurately, or did I misunderstand?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

I think I follow you:
Don't plan for ridiculous scenarios that will likely never happen.
Don't use guns for protection.
Tell my wife not to use our guns for protection if an unlikely scenario happens like while she's homeschooling our kids everyday and I'm gone working, because we need true faith in God to protect our loved ones, without the use of guns for self defense.

Did I understand the basics of your response to my post accurately, or did I misunderstand?

Yes you got what I was trying to say.

I just see this whole issue as mostly bravado and talk. Most of the "guys" and some gals who say they would Rambo down if an intruder poke his head out of the closet. Would sadly and horribly do the exact opposite. One has to remember that animals like Henry Lee Lucas, Otis Poole, Richard Ramirez, and the BTK killer gained entry and slaughtered entire families. Fear is a big obstacle and the biggest baddest hombre tends to show how true his boasts (or stories) once he has to worry about his families safety.

I knew of a young man when I was in High School who was a big huge football player. He was a fighter, and he totally believed his own PR. He work behind the counter at a gas station and one day some individuals walked in and showed him their shotgun. Well, he first told them what he was going to do with their shotgun (first mistake) then jumped over the counter (second mistake).
He scared them, so a situation that could of been avoided turned into a close casket funeral.

The biker story had everyone dead because the killers couldn't leave wittnesses. No matter how young.

All I'm saying that no one knows, and I mean no one on how a situation will go down. We have to seek first Jesus Christ and His righteousness, then fall into His hands. Because after you tie on the bandana and hold up your 30cal at the attacker coming out from under the sofa. Only Jesus will be able to save you.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

My gun sits in a safe, I take walks at night unarmed. I trust God with my life. But I PROTECT my loved ones at all costs.


God likes that approach.

so, God can be your Father, but He can't be their Father. ok. You are just transferring "Whom shall i fear?" with this.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

That is one of the stupidist things that you have ever written.

So Jesus is a cowardly wretch?

I don't think Jesus would have stood there and did nothing if someone busted into his house and attempted to rape his mother, anymore than He just stood there when the poor were being extorted in the name of God in the Temple. JS

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I don't think Jesus would have stood there and did nothing if someone busted into his house and attempted to rape his mother, anymore than He just stood there when the poor were being extorted in the name of God in the Temple. JS

You don't think, which translates into you don't know.

[shazeep]

like it would ever even have occurred to Christ to fear such a thing

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

C'mon Monterrey, answer him.

Are you a man or a preterist?



LOL

Sean, I am not a preterist I have said that.

I am a man, ex law enforcement, saved by grace, believe in the Spirit and the miraculous.

I have seen the dead raised through the power of God, people healed, cancer tumors fall off, and much more.

Your talk of guns and violence are in direct contradiction to the message we present and the Christ we serve.

Do I expect you to understand? No. I have read your postings and understand.

The sword I carry is spiritual, again, I don't expect you to understand.

Attack as you will but the Word of God says,

The MEEK shall inherit the earth.

Let God be true and Sean a liar.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sean, I am not a preterist I have said that.

I am a man, ex law enforcement, saved by grace, believe in the Spirit and the miraculous.

I have seen the dead raised through the power of God, people healed, cancer tumors fall off, and much more.

Your talk of guns and violence are in direct contradiction to the message we present and the Christ we serve.

Do I expect you to understand? No. I have read your postings and understand.

The sword I carry is spiritual, again, I don't expect you to understand.

Attack as you will but the Word of God says,

The MEEK shall inherit the earth.

Let God be true and Sean a liar.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sean, I am not a preterist I have said that.

I am a man, ex law enforcement, saved by grace, believe in the Spirit and the miraculous.

I have seen the dead raised through the power of God, people healed, cancer tumors fall off, and much more.

Your talk of guns and violence are in direct contradiction to the message we present and the Christ we serve.

Do I expect you to understand? No. I have read your postings and understand.

The sword I carry is spiritual, again, I don't expect you to understand.

Attack as you will but the Word of God says,

The MEEK shall inherit the earth.

Let God be true and Sean a liar.

If you call a man that will not allow a psycho to molest his family a liar, then that is me.

You are a better man than me to go pray through in your closet and let your family be attacked