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Old 06-04-2007, 02:31 PM
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Are you saying that I'm stereo-typing nurses? Remember, I'm a health care worker as well.
Hahaha....yes, I understand that you are the expert....LOL! I love funnin with ya.

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I dont mind Lady men of God but I sure cant take the notion of a woman on the church board!
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:31 PM
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Chancellor, I am afraid your scholarship is lacking in this subject. Here's the definition for word "judged", used in the verses listed after it:

08199 // jpv // shaphat // shaw-fat' //

a primitive root; TWOT - 2443; v

AV - judge (v) 119, judge (n) 60, plead 11, avenged 2, condemn 2,
execute 2, judgment 2, defend 1, deliver 1, misc 3; 203

1) to judge, govern, vindicate, punish
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to act as law-giver or judge or governor (of God, man)
1a1a) to rule, govern, judge
1a2) to decide controversy (of God, man)
1a3) to execute judgment
1a3a) discriminating (of man)
1a3b) vindicating
1a3c) condemning and punishing
1a3d) at theophanic advent for final judgment
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to enter into controversy, plead, have controversy together
1b2) to be judged
1c) (Poel) judge, opponent-at-law (participle)

Judges 3:9-10
And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim.

Judges 4:4-5
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Judges 10:1-3
And after Abimelech there arose to defend Israel Tola the son of Puah, the son of Dodo, a man of Issachar; and he dwelt in Shamir in mount Ephraim.
And he judged Israel twenty and three years, and died, and was buried in Shamir.
And after him arose Jair, a Gileadite, and judged Israel twenty and two years.

Judges 12:7-9, 11-14
And Jephthah judged Israel six years. Then died Jephthah the Gileadite, and was buried in one of the cities of Gilead.
And after him Ibzan of Bethlehem judged Israel.
And he had thirty sons, and thirty daughters, whom he sent abroad, and took in thirty daughters from abroad for his sons. And he judged Israel seven years.
And after him Elon, a Zebulonite, judged Israel; and he judged Israel ten years.
And Elon the Zebulonite died, and was buried in Aijalon in the country of Zebulun.
And after him Abdon the son of Hillel, a Pirathonite, judged Israel.
And he had forty sons and thirty nephews, that rode on threescore and ten ass colts: and he judged Israel eight years.

Judges 16:30-31
And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
Then his brethren and all the house of his father came down, and took him, and brought him up, and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the burying place of Manoah his father. And he judged Israel twenty years.

I Samuel 4:16-18
And the man said unto Eli, I am he that came out of the army, and I fled to day out of the army. And he said, What is there done, my son?
And the messenger answered and said, Israel is fled before the Philistines, and there hath been also a great slaughter among the people, and thy two sons also, Hophni and Phinehas, are dead, and the ark of God is taken.
And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

I Samuel 7:6, 15-17
And they gathered together to Mizpeh, and drew water, and poured it out before the LORD, and fasted on that day, and said there, We have sinned against the LORD. And Samuel judged the children of Israel in Mizpeh.
And Samuel judged Israel all the days of his life.
And he went from year to year in circuit to Bethel, and Gilgal, and Mizpeh, and judged Israel in all those places.
And his return was to Ramah; for there was his house; and there he judged Israel; and there he built an altar unto the LORD.

Like it or not, right in the middle of all of those male judges was a woman who had the SAME God given authority to judge (see definition above) Israel (the entire nation), and judge (see definition above) them she did.
You're referring to passages that I never referred to and, thus, your post is irrelevant. Besides, I merely quoted from three different Bible commentaries concerning the passage where it said that God appointed judges. So, much to your chagrin no doubt, it isn't my scholarship (the combining of philosophy and theology) that is lacking but that of the theologians whose commentaries I quoted.
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Wow I could get me a palm tree!!!
Wait I have one...its only a Sago though.I couldn't live under it unless I was really small.

Judges 4:4-5
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:53 PM
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I was just informed that LADY TALKERS is synonymous with WIND TALKERS....
Every WOMAN-MAN-O-GAWD should be offended by that!!!
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:56 PM
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I dont mind Lady men of God but I sure cant take the notion of a woman on the church board!
uh oh, bro, I guess you would consider my church 'radically progressive', 'cause we have two female board members: me, and the church secretary.
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:58 PM
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You're referring to passages that I never referred to and, thus, your post is irrelevant. Besides, I merely quoted from three different Bible commentaries concerning the passage where it said that God appointed judges. So, much to your chagrin no doubt, it isn't my scholarship (the combining of philosophy and theology) that is lacking but that of the theologians whose commentaries I quoted.
Well, maybe you consider the OPINION of a commentator to be more authoritative than the meaning of the original Hebrew (or Greek, if NT) word used in the scriptures, but I don't. My post is very relevant, just inconvenient to your position, as your position cannot be supported by scripture (only commentary).
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:10 PM
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So, based on what appears to be your very wrong interpretation of the passage (since it's in response to the first post in this thread), it's okay for women to wear men's clothes and for men to wear women's clothes? After all, since you're saying there is no male or female, you're clearly saying there are no gender distinctions at all.
There are gender distinctions in the natural (in the flesh) but being IN CHRIST is a different matter. There is true equality even between slave and master. Yet in the natural, a slave is still a slave and a master is still a master. And a slave, even if a Christian, is to obey their master as unto Christ.Eph 6:5 Are the gifts of the Spirit including the gifts of the ministry given to members of the body or just to the male members of the body.

Chan, I'm saying there are no gender distinctions within the body of Christ. He has filled us all with his Spirit. We are equals in all things in the Lord. Whereas in the flesh, there are distinctions, and there isn't an equality in marriage.

Phil 1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:20 PM
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There are gender distinctions in the natural (in the flesh) but being IN CHRIST is a different matter. There is true equality even between slave and master. Yet in the natural, a slave is still a slave and a master is still a master. And a slave, even if a Christian, is to obey their master as unto Christ.Eph 6:5 Are the gifts of the Spirit including the gifts of the ministry given to members of the body or just to the male members of the body.

Chan, I'm saying there are no gender distinctions within the body of Christ. He has filled us all with his Spirit. We are equals in all things in the Lord. Whereas in the flesh, there are distinctions, and there isn't an equality in marriage.

Phil 1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
Oh that my brothers and sisters could receive these words.

If we apply principles without consideration of the realm in which they have application, we continue in darkness while in the presence of such a marvelous light.

thank you Mizpeh.

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