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12-20-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by shazeep
Notice how, without meaning to, you have verified that his salvation depends upon his conversation. He is rejected because he does not talk about Christ the same way you do. His fruit--which reflects his heart--is not considered.
i haven't read your most recent posts, i'll come back for that.
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Wrong. No matter what he says, if his heart never believed, God knows and he's lost. It matters what God knows.
That's what must be preached as well.
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12-20-2015, 12:42 PM
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we are beyond that now. You have proven it when you showed that you were offended by it, like anyone would be, and with your answers to "How do you tell if someone is saved" and your non-answers to "An OP relies upon verbal bona-fides," and my other questions.
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Why am I not surprised you won't carry this through.
Offended? Lol.. whatever.
Jello nailed to a wall, boys. Jello nailed to a wall.
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12-20-2015, 12:45 PM
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Like.... Shazeep, whose sins are covered in the passage that says charity covers a multitude of sins?
No answer.
not true, i answered this; you just didn't like the answer, because it supports Scripture that you do not acknowledge.
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Stop playing. if you answered, repeat it and let's see. You stumble at the cross. Plain and simple.
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12-20-2015, 12:46 PM
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20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother,aj he is a liar.ak For the person who does not love his brotheral he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen.am 21And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother.
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So? That doesn't save though. It speaks of what loses salvation. Without repentance, which includes forgiveness and casting away hate, one can't be saved. The cross saves. His.
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12-20-2015, 12:48 PM
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So, it's not being a servant to tell people the basic message of the Bible...
not when it conflicts with the other basic message of the Bible, deemed "sufficient for them," no. How are you any different from those crying "Lord, Lord?" If an outsider was asked to identify the group who cries Lord, Lord today, who might they select?
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Christians are in view in the Lord crying issue. Only Christians who won't hear Christ and do. I explained that. You ask again? And then you say you answered me and refuse to answer my questions because you claim you already did. Circles galore. You did that several times to me, and I still answered.
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12-20-2015, 06:10 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
pardon me, but i have had enough of your pedantic avoidance for now. So i am not coming back here, and you can continue your condemnation of everyone else who is not you to your heart's content--because Jesus told you to.
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12-20-2015, 06:43 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
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Originally Posted by shazeep
Notice how, without meaning to, you have verified that his salvation depends upon his conversation. He is rejected because he does not talk about Christ the same way you do. His fruit--which reflects his heart--is not considered.
i haven't read your most recent posts, i'll come back for that.
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He rejects, as all Muslims do, Christ as the Savior or means to salvation.
Muslims reject Jesus died for our sins. They reject He is the Atonement. They reject He is the Son and John says to reject Father and Son is Anti-christ. its not about what we say but what the bible says
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-20-2015, 06:46 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
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Ok well, i have already given another perspective on these, and you are not rebutting them, you are just saying "nyah, nyah." Nephilim are also the "Sons of God," and there is no ambiguity there, either. If you divorce the Body of Christ from Christ, you no longer have Christ. Your accusations are self-serving; putting me down to build yourself up. A pox on your theology, if it sends you to hell. God does not judge anyone by their theology.
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No I am not saying "Nyah Nyah"..I directly refuted your assertions
Now you obfuscate by referring to Nephilim.
Stay on topic with regards to what Islam teaches. We are discussing what islam teaches vs the bible. Your attempts to portray me as attacking you personally and your Pox is just more dust in the air. That is what people do when they don't have an answer
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-20-2015, 06:47 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
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Originally Posted by shazeep
one would think that he would identify with Judaism, given his father and all--but prolly he had father issues, being a bastard. He claimed Christianity, i guess. The point is that anyone can say they are Christian. The Spanish Inquisition were determined that they were fighting evil in Christ's Name. When you have identified physical enemies to fear and condemn, and believe you have Scripture that justifies your doing so, it is time to pause and reflect, imo.
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No, he didnt claim Christianity I guess. He rejected the church.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-20-2015, 06:50 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Wrong. No matter what he says, if his heart never believed, God knows and he's lost. It matters what God knows.
That's what must be preached as well.
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i'm sorry, this does not make sense to me. "If his heart never believed." oh, i think i get what you are trying to say. You have found a definition for "believed," and you think God cares what it is, while simultaneously believing that it is ok to condemn people you don't know based upon the same tortured logic. whatever. fine.
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