Dialogue with a Muslim

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why am I not surprised you won't carry this through.

Offended? Lol.. whatever.

Jello nailed to a wall, boys. Jello nailed to a wall.

yes, well, it wasn't jello for a year, the first three times you ignored it. lol.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Stop playing. if you answered, repeat it and let's see. You stumble at the cross. Plain and simple.

So, i suggest that God judges people differently than you, and that Muslims are not condemned by your standards, and so now i am stumbling at the cross. fine, go with that. You are a hypocrite, so what do i care what you think?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So? That doesn't save though. It speaks of what loses salvation. Without repentance, which includes forgiveness and casting away hate, one can't be saved. The cross saves. His.

How would someone who demonstrates that they are a hypocrite, and regularly quotes Scripture like satan does, cutting off the relevant portions, be able to tell anyone what saves?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Christians are in view in the Lord crying issue. Only Christians who won't hear Christ and do. I explained that. You ask again? And then you say you answered me and refuse to answer my questions because you claim you already did. Circles galore. You did that several times to me, and I still answered.

you should stop explaining, because everyone already understands why hypocrites justify themselves. If you should decide to ever give a straight answer, to anything, let me know, but it will require removing the circle from over your head. I'm sorry if i have embarrassed you, as i did not mean to imply that there was intrinsically anything wrong with seeking out a Muslim to explain the dogmatic differences to you; my meaning was that they are irrelevant.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He rejects, as all Muslims do, Christ as the Savior or means to salvation.

Muslims reject Jesus died for our sins. They reject He is the Atonement. They reject He is the Son and John says to reject Father and Son is Anti-christ. its not about what we say but what the bible says

Muslims admit that Christ came in the flesh, and generally do a better job representing him than Christians, in my experience. Sad to say.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No I am not saying "Nyah Nyah"..I directly refuted your assertions

Now you obfuscate by referring to Nephilim.

Stay on topic with regards to what Islam teaches. We are discussing what islam teaches vs the bible. Your attempts to portray me as attacking you personally and your Pox is just more dust in the air. That is what people do when they don't have an answer

i don't care what Islam teaches, i am a Christian, and obviously Christians do not even agree that Christ is God. If you wrote the Qur'an during the Crusades, you would no doubt have issues at "Son of God," too. You are insisting on verbal agreement, because that is how OPs decide whether people are saved or not; they give lip-service. I did it for years. Many will cry Lord, Lord--it is so much easier than changing one's mind.

Nephilim = obfuscate, if you like. I know what you mean by "Son of God," of course, and i am even comfortable with it, but that does not mean that i require everyone else to chant it the same way, and Scripture does not, either. If you think that all Muslims are lost, it is because you are lost, and seeking to justify how you are saved, to make yourself feel better, and you can keep pretending that "I came that you might have life, more abundantly" really means "i can't wait to die, and go to heaven" even though you go to extreme lengths to avoid actual death, being scared to death of it, because you are dead already, which is why you say all of the same things my beer-swilling next door neighbor says, and dwell on all the same things he dwells on.

If you had something to say, you could have come and bailed Mike out at any one of the several points where he was tripping all over himself, in "Love one another," with all due respect. If you like, you are invited to go and review where he could not answer--they are pretty obvious--and answer yourself. Of course you have to go back a few pages, because the less he had to say, the longer he took to say it. If you have any problems, let me know. Otherwise i am done here, good night.

[shazeep]

you guys seem to forget that their spiritual borders are increasing, while yours are diminishing; and you just can't figure out why pride and arrogance have taken over, and you can't seem to have a revival. You are not going to care much that you have imagined that you won some argument with me when your daughters are marrying Muslims.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

pardon me, but i have had enough of your pedantic avoidance for now. So i am not coming back here, and you can continue your condemnation of everyone else who is not you to your heart's content--because Jesus told you to.

I condemn no one. The word already condemned them. Avoidance? Whatever. I offered to deal with anything you ask and you suddenly refuse.

Anything to not deal with actual word.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i'm sorry, this does not make sense to me. "If his heart never believed." oh, i think i get what you are trying to say. You have found a definition for "believed," and you think God cares what it is, while simultaneously believing that it is ok to condemn people you don't know based upon the same tortured logic. whatever. fine.

I condemned no none. They're already condemned by the word long before I said anything. You'd rather have preachers never say people need salvation. Some weird twisted love.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you guys seem to forget that their spiritual borders are increasing, while yours are diminishing; and you just can't figure out why pride and arrogance have taken over, and you can't seem to have a revival. You are not going to care much that you have imagined that you won some argument with me when your daughters are marrying Muslims.

Enjoy your pessimistic "everyone's lost and in the dark."