New Birth

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

jf - so what is your end game with this?
That the Holy Ghost with tongues was only given during the time of the apostles?

Nope. Just pointing out that if you are basing doctrine on the examples from acts then you have to look at all the patterns found in those examples.

[shag]

I wonder how many, if any at all, translators of any of the tons of bible versions that are available to us, like the KJV, have not only repented, but were also baptized by immersion in the name of Jesus defined by the baptiser vocalizing such, AND have also received the Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues..


Anybody know how many?





Was any of maybe 50 of King James' translating crew born again?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by shag

I wonder how many, if any at all, translators of any of the tons of bible versions that are available to us, like the KJV, have not only repented, but were also baptized by immersion in the name of Jesus defined by the baptiser vocalizing such, AND have also received the Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues..

Anybody know how many?

Was any of maybe 50 of King James' translating crew born again?

Nope, none of them. Nor any translator of any version that I know of. But some Acts 2:38 truly saved believers put footnotes in the "apostolic version" they put out last year. Does that count?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

I wonder how many, if any at all, translators of any of the tons of bible versions that are available to us, like the KJV, have not only repented, but were also baptized by immersion in the name of Jesus defined by the baptiser vocalizing such, AND have also received the Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues..


Anybody know how many?





Was any of maybe 50 of King James' translating crew born again?

And the point is?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And the point is?

You don't even vote, how would u ever see the point that everybody that's ever translated a bible in the past 2000 years that Christians read to live their life by, not going to heaven, presents a problem?

[shazeep]

you can't prove none of them are accepted. OPs would condemn all of the Apostles for not believing in Acts 2:38.

but a good point is that a translator would by definition have to be "respected by men."

thank God for lexicons.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There are three parts to repentance

1. Repent - “To Care,” “Be Concerned”:
The term μεταμέλομαι, metamélomai, literally signifies to have a feeling or care, concern or regret; like nāḥam, it expresses the emotional aspect of repentance. The feeling indicated by the word may issue in genuine repentance, or it may degenerate into mere remorse (Mat_21:29, Mat_21:32; Mat_27:3). Judas repented only in the sense of regret, remorse, and not in the sense of the abandonment of sin. The word is used with reference to Paul's feeling concerning a certain course of conduct, and with reference to God in His attitude toward His purposes of grace (2Co_7:8 the King James Version; Heb_7:21).

2. Repent - “To Change the Mind”:
The word μετανοέω, metanoéō, expresses the true New Testament idea of the spiritual change implied in a sinner's return to God. The term signifies “to have another mind,” to change the opinion or purpose with regard to sin. It is equivalent to the Old Testament word “turn.” Thus, it is employed by John the Baptist, Jesus, and the apostles (Mat_3:2; Mar_1:15; Act_2:38). The idea expressed by the word is intimately associated with different aspects of spiritual transformation and of Christian life, with the process in which the agency of man is prominent, as faith (Act_20:21), and as conversion (Act_3:19); also with those experiences and blessings of which God alone is the author, as remission and forgiveness of sin (Luk_24:47; Act_5:31). It is sometimes conjoined with baptism, which as an overt public act proclaims a changed relation to sin and God (Mar_1:4; Luk_3:3; Act_13:24; Act_19:4). As a vital experience, repentance is to manifest its reality by producing good fruits appropriate to the new spiritual life (Mat_3:8).

3. Repent - “To Turn over,” “To Turn upon,” “To Turn Unto”:
The word έπιστρέφω, epistréphō, is used to bring out more clearly the distinct change wrought in repentance. It is employed quite frequently in Acts to express the positive side of a change involved in New Testament repentance, or to indicate the return to God of which the turning from sin is the negative aspect. The two conceptions are inseparable and complementary. The word is used to express the spiritual transition from sin to God (Act_9:35; 1Th_1:9); to strengthen the idea of faith (Act_11:21); and to complete and emphasize the change required by New Testament repentance (Act_26:20).

When Peter said to repent, the Jews did not go away for a week and see if they could stop sinning, then return to be baptized.

They had a change of heart, a conscious willful change to do things God's way

Yes that is a prerequisite

This is good stuff!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

You don't even vote, how would u ever see the point that everybody that's ever translated a bible in the past 2000 years that Christians read to live their life by, not going to heaven, presents a problem?

Gee, I don't know what to say!

lol

[shag]

It doesn't matter if you love God with all your heart, mind soul, & strength... It doesn't matter if you've repented of your sin, & are seeking 1st the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, or if you pray continually to know & fulfill Gods purpose in your life.. It doesn't matter if you spend your life trying to understand and obey Gods word. Or even study academicly to translate it into a readable language for others. None of it matters, because you're not born again if you have not spoken in tongues, or your baptiser didn't say "in the name of Jesus" when he put you under water. And millions upon millions have came up short, for centuries, never were born again, and will not go to heaven, because they didn't follow protocol according to the last few decades of basically the "UPCI's revelation" of being born from above. After all, Cornelius would not have made it to heaven.


That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shag

It doesn't matter if you love God with all your heart, mind soul, & strength... It doesn't matter if you've repented of your sin, & are seeking 1st the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, or if you pray continually to know & fulfill Gods purpose in your life.. It doesn't matter if you spend your life trying to understand and obey Gods word. Or even study academicly to translate it into a readable language for others. None of it matters, because you're not born again if you have not spoken in tongues, or your baptiser didn't say "in the name of Jesus" when he put you under water. And millions upon millions have came up short, for centuries, never were born again, and will not go to heaven, because they didn't follow protocol according to the last few decades of basically the "UPCI's revelation" of being born from above. After all, Cornelius would not have made it to heaven.


That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.

Almost as bad as it not mattering if Jesus is Son of God or that he so much as died on a cross!