Humility and pride revisited...

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Originally Posted by hammondb3klingon1

Dude that was deeeeep!

Don't mock me Klingy.................. ........

I am not mocking ... just ....... Humoring Yeah

Originally Posted by whollyHis

well then, I sin everyday. I often tell my grand baby that I am proud of her when she accomplishes something new. Just as I did /do my girls...

I got all the laundry folded one day, and expressed my pleasure at having got it done, grand baby said, "Awww, Nonna, I so proud of you!" *smile*

Yes, pride is sin. Be pleased but not proud.

Originally Posted by Felidae

You are actually saying that we should not appear to be, or place ourselves, above others or be/appear haughty, correct? But, can we feel pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable? What about having or showing self-respect? May we be full of vigor and spirit? How about treating someone or oneself generously - is that permitted?

I'm saying that pride is sin and when we say we are "proud" of this or that, we are committing sin. We can be pleased with something or someone but we must not be proud of them.

As for your use of "appear to be," that's a subjective phrase based on perception. Perception is not fact.

Originally Posted by Chan

I'm saying that pride is sin and when we say we are "proud" of this or that, we are committing sin. We can be pleased with something or someone but we must not be proud of them.

As for your use of "appear to be," that's a subjective phrase based on perception. Perception is not fact.

You are equating the biblical definition with the dictionary's definition. They differ. Being "proud" of my children - as described by Webster - is NOT a sin.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

One of my first posts on FCF was about this and self-esteem. Roxie ate my lunch! She was very against any type of pride or self-esteem.

Maybe it's the attitude behind the word, but I'm proud of my kids and I don't think that's a sin.

The Bible (the only standard for our lives) always refers to pride as something sinful. It does not set forth a "good" kind of pride. As for your statement, "I don't think that's a sin," it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what God's word says.

The Bible always refers to pride as sin; self-esteem is pride; therefore, self-esteem is sin. Further, the Bible never tells us to have self-esteem, it tells us to esteem others as better than ourselves.

Originally Posted by Felidae

You are equating the biblical definition with the dictionary's definition. They differ. Being "proud" of my children - as described by Webster - is NOT a sin.

The only definition that matters is the Bible's definition.

Originally Posted by Chan

The only definition that matters is the Bible's definition.

Then use only the Bible's definition of pride. Say that being arrogant, haughty, etc. is sin; but that feeling generous and pleased is not. Pride has more than one meaning, Chan.

Originally Posted by Chan

The Bible (the only standard for our lives) always refers to pride as something sinful. It does not set forth a "good" kind of pride. As for your statement, "I don't think that's a sin," it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what God's word says.

The Bible always refers to pride as sin; self-esteem is pride; therefore, self-esteem is sin. Further, the Bible never tells us to have self-esteem, it tells us to esteem others as better than ourselves.

Can we have self-respect? Are we worthy of respect? May we love ourselves?

Originally Posted by Felidae

Then use only the Bible's definition of pride. Say that being arrogant, haughty, etc. is sin; but that feeling generous and pleased is not. Pride has more than one meaning, Chan.

Pride has ONLY the biblical meaning. Otherwise, it is not pride. It doesn't matter what Webster or Oxford University or any of those other dictionary publishers say, it only matters what God's word says.