" What About LADY TALKERS "

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, folks, we're just going to cast aside all gender distinctions in the Church - because Mizpeh says there is no male or female in the Church. Ladies (not that you exist anymore now that you're in Christ), you can go ahead and wear men's clothes and act like men all you want. Men (not that you exist anymore now that you're in Christ), feel free to wear dresses and go get your facials and manicures and pedicures at the beauty spa. Mizpeh has decreed that there is no male or female in Christ and insists that this means all gender distinctions just go away for us, since we are no longer in the flesh but are now "in Christ."

As a voice to offer some offset to what I preceive as largely a rant, I ask the reader to consider this.

The Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, the Kingdom of God is NOT OF THIS WORLD.

HOW LONG will those who profess a new birth as being a birth of the Spirit (note: I make no assumption that poster CHAN is one who does this), attempt to bring down that which is from above. The Kingdom of God is not of the natural realm. The definitions, constraints, laws and roles that can be applied within this realm to not have any assurance of transferability to the Kingdom of God. It is carnal, babe in Christ thinking, to do so.

That which is seen is to assist us in our understanding of that which came before, that which is not seen.

In the realm of time, in the earthly realm, in the below realm, we have roles that DO NOT EXIST in the Kingdom of God.

In the below/natural realm we have:
poor and rich
bound and free
MALE and FEMALE
Jew and Greek

None of these have application in the realm of the anointing of God's Spirit that is, --in Christ.

If I am operating with consideration of the diversity due to roles involving gender distinction, I am operating in a realm (jurisdiction) that is established to support the NATURAL order.

If someone were to mistakenly apply jurisdiction or roles in a realm where they do not apply, he would be being as silly as a mother barging into the house next door and saying to the neighbor's child, "stop watching TV right now, get up and clean-up your room this minute!".

We need to understand where to apply our roles. Any distinction of roles have application first and foremost in the natural/below realm. It would be foolish (an exhibit of carnal-mindedness) to extend those roles into anything concerning our membership in the Body of God's anointing --his Christ.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, the fact that God specifically created male and female just goes away because we are "in Christ"? I guess the fact that we are all individual humans means nothing. I guess the passage about how the effeminate Christian will not inherit the kingdom of God means nothing (since there is neither male nor female in Christ, there is no such thing as effeminate). The UPC needs to stop preaching from the passage about how women are not to wear that which pertains to a man, since there is no male or female "in Christ." If there are no men or women "in Christ" then Paul's statement that he did not allow women to speak or to usurp authority means nothing - since you insist there is no male or female in Christ. The fact that the qualifications for bishops and deacons include being the husband of one wife means nothing - since according to you there is no male or female in Christ.

Yes, folks, we're just going to cast aside all gender distinctions in the Church - because Mizpeh says there is no male or female in the Church. Ladies (not that you exist anymore now that you're in Christ), you can go ahead and wear men's clothes and act like men all you want. Men (not that you exist anymore now that you're in Christ), feel free to wear dresses and go get your facials and manicures and pedicures at the beauty spa. Mizpeh has decreed that there is no male or female in Christ and insists that this means all gender distinctions just go away for us, since we are no longer in the flesh but are now "in Christ."

LOL, Chan, you never answered my question about the gifts of the Spirit that God gives to each of those in his body. Are the gifts of the ministry ONLY for males? How do you explain Paul's saying there is neither male nor female? What do you think he means?

Chan, what I'm speaking of doesn't apply to the difference in women and men's clothing or women being subject to their husbands, or anything along natural lines of distinction. When we get to heaven there is no marriage nor giving in marriage but we will be equal to the angels.

Originally Posted by Chan

Since your reading comprehension skills are obviously lacking (since your response does not even remotely address what I said), let's try it again:

You're referring to passages that I never referred to and, thus, your post is irrelevant. Besides, I merely quoted from three different Bible commentaries concerning the passage where it said that God appointed judges. So, much to your chagrin no doubt, it isn't my scholarship (the combining of philosophy and theology) that is lacking but that of the theologians whose commentaries I quoted.

There is nothing in what I posted that even remotely suggests I "consider the OPINION of a commentator to be more authoritative than the meaning of the original Hebrew (or Greek, if NT) word used in the scriptures." Again, you referred to passages that I never referred to and anything you might have to say about those passages has no bearing whatsoever on the passage I referred to.

Oh, believe me, my reading comprehension skills are superior to most, that is why I can clearly read in your post that you don't appreciate the fact that some woman had the audacity to *gasp* question your scholarship, and so you attempt to hide your lack by declaring God's Word as 'irrelevant'.

Sorry, sir, but all scripture is still given by inspiration of God, and it is always wisest and best to all scripture to interpret scripture.

Kindly be so good and honest as to see and comment on 'the rest of the story', for it is CLEAR from the rest of scripture concerning judges in the OT that they were moral and political leaders. And, it is clear from scripture that Deborah (that mere woman) had the same position and authority as the other judges (males) did, and God sanctioned and used her in that position.

[Trouvere]

I have to agree with Sister Murphy on Gods use of Deborah.The bible clearly states she did judge the people and it seems had her own OFFICE..lol..under the palm tree.

[BrotherEastman]

Women!!!!! Be Silent!!!

[berkeley]

"WOMAN, thou art loosed!! I set you free... I set you free!!! Don't let some man tell you that you can't preach!! Do what God called you to do!!! gloooooooray!!"

[ILG]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Women!!!!! Be Silent!!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

"WOMAN, thou art loosed!! I set you free... I set you free!!! Don't let some man tell you that you can't preach!! Do what God called you to do!!! gloooooooray!!"

: redheels

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by ILG

: redheels

Please interpret that:::::::::

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by ILG

LOL! relax, I'm j/k sheeeeeeesh!