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consapente89 · #41 03-21-2016, 07:04 PM

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http://cornerstonefortworth.org/

Of course I am very excited about Cornerstone and Steve Pixler's changes!

So is the devil. You and he can

together then.

consapente89 · #42 03-21-2016, 07:04 PM

http://martynballestero.com/2016/01/...t-charismatic/

consapente89 · #43 03-21-2016, 07:08 PM

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I think it all depends on how you do it. The mistake a lot of pastors make is that they will put on a congregation changes in thinking that took them years to get to in too short of a time frame.

I remember several decades ago talking to a UPC preacher who had visited a prominent exUPC Pastor seeking advice on how to implement change and he said that pastor told him that it was like steering a large, long ship. You had to tack slowly and make wide turns. I would add to that metaphor that sudden changes in directions causes some people to be thrown out of the ship and some end up drowning.

You are correct that sudden change will make some people feel as if the rug has been pulled out from under them and can end up destroying people. This comes back to the aspects of psychological conditioning that goes on in any type of intense indoctrination. I know it makes people angry when I say this but it is only natural that when you are taught week after week, year after year, a set of doctrines and rules it becomes your mental measuring stick of right and wrong so anything that controverts that causes confusion and guilt. People need to be brought along over time to look afresh at the Bible and christian teachings.

What you speak of is subtility. Same tactic the serpent used in the garden. It's worked well for people who want to steer the Ship of the Church into apostasy.

CC1 · #44 03-21-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

What you speak of is subtility. Same tactic the serpent used in the garden. It's worked well for people who want to steer the Ship of the Church into apostasy.

It is also the method used to open peoples eyes that have been bound in legalism and extra biblical teachings. It is amazing what happens when you start teaching what is actually in the bible and not traditions of men.

Barb · #45 03-21-2016, 10:06 PM

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Just For you!

LOL Why the pic just for me? Because I am not excited about what he has done? I don't know the man...heard him sing and preach once...that was enough.

He can do whatever he wants, but I don't have to be "excited" about it.

aegsm76 · #46 03-22-2016, 08:12 AM

CC - I have to say that in many cases where I have seen this happen, there is hidden sin that comes out at some point. I have no knowledge of this, with this instance, but experience does make me wary.

consapente89 · #47 03-22-2016, 08:59 AM

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CC - I have to say that in many cases where I have seen this happen, there is hidden sin that comes out at some point. I have no knowledge of this, with this instance, but experience does make me wary.

years ago there was a church where I live that "went charismatic". Used to be a very powerful Apostolic church. In that space of time when the Church flourished as an Apostolic church there were no known cases of adultery. The pastorate changed and subtle changes were made over time that seemed to raise no red flags. The only red flags were a couple cases of adultery in the laity. Again, the pastorate changed and the outward changes continued until there was no resemblance that it ever was an Apostolic church. Adultery became rampant. It was in the leadership, it was in the laity, it was between leadership and laity. Many marriages were broken up because of adultery. Once a seed is planted, it will continue to grow until it is plucked up by the roots. Perverted doctrine is enough to condemn someone's soul, but is usually not the only area that perversion has taken hold in. It is usually evidence of an issue that has long been flourishing.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men

God will pull the covers off of it eventually.

returnman · #48 03-22-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

years ago there was a church where I live that "went charismatic". Used to be a very powerful Apostolic church. In that space of time when the Church flourished as an Apostolic church there were no known cases of adultery. The pastorate changed and subtle changes were made over time that seemed to raise no red flags. The only red flags were a couple cases of adultery in the laity. Again, the pastorate changed and the outward changes continued until there was no resemblance that it ever was an Apostolic church. Adultery became rampant. It was in the leadership, it was in the laity, it was between leadership and laity. Many marriages were broken up because of adultery. Once a seed is planted, it will continue to grow until it is plucked up by the roots. Perverted doctrine is enough to condemn someone's soul, but is usually not the only area that perversion has taken hold in. It is usually evidence of an issue that has long been flourishing.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men

God will pull the covers off of it eventually.

I know this happens but it also happens when all the apostolic teachings seem to be in place as well. That fellow in Memphis a few years back was preaching it right down Pentecostal central when he got exposed.

aegsm76 · #49 03-22-2016, 04:11 PM

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I know this happens but it also happens when all the apostolic teachings seem to be in place as well. That fellow in Memphis a few years back was preaching it right down Pentecostal central when he got exposed.

It does happen even with those preaching it "right".
I would just say it happens more with those who abruptly stop preaching it "right".
I can say that at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the time I have seen this, there has been something going on.
That correlation is too high for me to not believe it is statistically significant.

deacon blues · #50 03-22-2016, 04:56 PM

The original Apostolics 100 years ago didn't take time in preaching the new doctrine of JN baptism. When you believe in the something, when you receive a revelation, you don't want to preach lies---you want to preach the truth. I don't know what Pixler is doing, but when you see a house of cards you don't feel like perpetuating something that can't be defended biblically. Preaching standards as salvation is a lie. Preaching the Gospel is something other than what the Bible clearly shows us is damnable. Why patty cake around and worry about offending long term church goers or preachers from the district or the fellowship? The early Apostolics didn't. Why should anyone else?