Drunk in the Spirit

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

One group which was devout heard the apostles speaking their languages Acts 2:5, the others Acts 2:13 mocked the Apostles because all they could hear was babbling. The Apostle Paul told his students to not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Holy Ghost Ephesians 5:18. I don't know, but maybe DB probably never had the Holy Ghost experience? Sounds like he's dryer than an old rusty Brillo pad, and doesn't like people filled with the Holy Ghost. I think his church is called "First Church of Moldy Crust?"

Wrong. Read what it says.

Acts 2:5-13
Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”

Those who were saying these things were the devout Jews. Some amazed and asking each other what does this mean, while others from that same group mocked.

Yet there is ZERO evidence that they witnessed anything other than speaking in tongues. You have to assume the other stuff and that's a terrible way to interpret scripture.

As far as Paul is concerned he did indeed instruct to not be drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Spirit. Again, a STRETCH to say that means one will act like they are intoxicated when filled with the Spirit. You have to extrapolate that into the interpretation.

Again, how does God get glory from people acting like people who are under the influence of alcohol??? It's the power of suggestion. People interpret these passages incorrectly and then they fake it. Just google Kenneth Hagin and Holy Laughter and YouTube and you'll see a bunch of nonsense. God doesn't get any glory from that chaos and confusion.

How is "But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way" (I Cor 14:40) applied when folks are staggering and falling over?

In typical EB fashion, personal attacks who aren't on the level of his deep spirituality. He questions if I have had the HG experience. He says I'm DRYER (sp? Unless he means I'm an appliance) than a Brillo pad and that I don't like Spirit filled people.

Well I have the HG experience. I do speak in tongues. I love Spirit-filled people, many of which are my family.

But I also love the truth of God's Word, and I'm against interpretations of it that aren't correct. If sacred cows don't fit the scripture, I don't care what you've seen or witnessed or experienced, if it isn't Biblical, it isn't Biblical. "Drunk in the Spirit" as we know it in the Pentecostal subculture isn't Biblical.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Off topic somewhat, but my pioneer preacher grandfather encountered two cases where people were speaking in false tongues.
Which he believed was under the influence of Satan.

How could he know? "Tongues of men and of angels"...what language(s) do angels speak?

If Satan can cause people to speak in tongues, can he cause people to have a false gift of healing? A false gift of miracles?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Sarah

And that's pretty much what I'm doing...assuming they were drunk on the spirit because they evidently acted drunk. Do you think they could be mistaken for being drunk just because they spoke another language? I really believe it was more than that...

Sure. Why not? You said "I really believe it was more than that". Based on what? The best you can give is an assumption. That opens a whole can of worms to scriptural interpretation if you're going to do that.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Do you believe the Lord controls the tongue when you are filled with the Holy Ghost?

If God doesn't, what is supernatural about the experience?

We can give control to God. I am not saying everyone doing the helicopter or running and jumping are being controlled by the Spirit. If someone says they got lost in their worship, why demean their experience? The lady with the Alabaster box was rebuked by her peers, but Jesus said she did a good thing.

We don't see a lot of that OT Pentecostal stuff at our churches any more, but there seems to be a lot more carnality in the church in place of. A lot less shouting in the church, but plenty of it at Monday night football. if I took a pole to see who all missed church for Super Bowl Sunday it may be saddening.

If someone is going bezerk in the Church then I think some Spiritual and loving people should speak to them in meekness to correct their behavior. We get liberty from the Spirit of God and I think that great joy and liberty is overwhelming to the worshiper. That is probably why so many respond in the way they do. They are not possessed, but truly there is a loss of control. Maybe some on here should try it sometime.

Hey I'm all for Biblical worship. The Bible gives us plenty of evidence for that: hands raised, singing, clapping, mouths opened with words of adulation, standing, dancing, lying prostrate, etc...

But nothing about running, wild flailing, passing out, staggering, convulsions, screaming, rolling, and many other things I have witnessed. If it was important to God don't you think He would have passages in His Word instructing us to do these things?

How does that kind of worship fit "order" that Paul writes of concerning public worship in I Cor 14?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by berkeley

It is supernatural because God gives you the ability.

If God CONTROLS the tongue why did Paul correct the Corinthians with the use of spiritual gifts? If God controlled it wouldn't the use of tongues have been decent and in order?

Great point!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Do you think you can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not speak in tongues? If the baptism of the Holy Ghost means we receive the ability to speak in tongues then some could choose not to use the ability and still be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Paul asked Spirit-filled believers in I Corinthians "Do all speak in tongues?" If not all are apostles, teachers, etc. Then not all believers speak in tongues.

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

Paul asked Spirit-filled believers in I Corinthians "Do all speak in tongues?" If not all are apostles, teachers, etc. Then not all believers speak in tongues.

surely you know there's a difference between the gift of tongues and evidence of Spirit baptism. like the gift of faith and general faith.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by mfblume

surely you know there's a difference between the gift of tongues and evidence of Spirit baptism. like the gift of faith and general faith.

Of course he knows...

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Paul asked Spirit-filled believers in I Corinthians "Do all speak in tongues?" If not all are apostles, teachers, etc. Then not all believers speak in tongues.

I agree that all believers do not speak with tongues. Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Church of Christ, etc.... As an apostolic I have received the Spirit baptism as prescribed by scripture and that is Biblical truth. I see no where in the scripture that tongues was optional at Spirit baptism.

So you believe someone can be baptized another way than speaking in tongues?

You have referred to seeking Biblical accuracy, so what other scripture gives another way for Holy Ghost baptism?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Hey I'm all for Biblical worship. The Bible gives us plenty of evidence for that: hands raised, singing, clapping, mouths opened with words of adulation, standing, dancing, lying prostrate, etc...

But nothing about running, wild flailing, passing out, staggering, convulsions, screaming, rolling, and many other things I have witnessed. If it was important to God don't you think He would have passages in His Word instructing us to do these things?

How does that kind of worship fit "order" that Paul writes of concerning public worship in I Cor 14?

So please, for the less enlightened among us, present detailed info re the order of public worship. Since you are so certain of what it isn't, perhaps you can explain just what it is.