Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[Steve Epley]

Over 50 years preaching this is novel to me the candidate invoking the name. They do that in confession of their sins. The baptizer invokes the name in baptism! NOT the candidate though nothing would be wrong in them doing that. This is a new concept.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Over 50 years preaching this is novel to me the candidate invoking the name. They do that in confession of their sins. The baptizer invokes the name in baptism! NOT the candidate though nothing would be wrong in them doing that. This is a new concept.

Here is another new concept for you.

"I baptize you in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ"

I pronounce clearly both his original Hebrew name and his American name.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Here is another new concept for you.

"I baptize you in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ"

I pronounce clearly both his original Hebrew name and his American name.

Why?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Why?

Because Jesus was a Jew, he had a Jewish name.

His original name was not Jesus, as a matter of fact the name Jesus did not came into use until many centuries later probably around the 1800's.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Because Jesus was a Jew, he had a Jewish name.

His original name was not Jesus, as a matter of fact the name Jesus did not came into use until many centuries later probably around the 1800's.

Then why not throw the other transliterations in while your at it?

Iesous, Iesus, Yesha, but the whole deal about Him being Judean is moot, when you factor in that He was a Hellenized Judean.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Over 50 years preaching this is novel to me the candidate invoking the name. They do that in confession of their sins. The baptizer invokes the name in baptism! NOT the candidate though nothing would be wrong in them doing that. This is a new concept.

I never saw a baptism which the candidate was silent, they all were praying in Jesus name, Some as they were coming up were speaking in tongues.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Over 50 years preaching this is novel to me the candidate invoking the name. They do that in confession of their sins. The baptizer invokes the name in baptism! NOT the candidate though nothing would be wrong in them doing that. This is a new concept.

Its not new to the book of Acts. Paul who would become an Apostle was instructed in the early Apostolic Church to call on the name of the Lord in baptism...washing away his sins.

I do think its fine for the baptizer to also call the name.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Here is another new concept for you.

"I baptize you in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ"

I pronounce clearly both his original Hebrew name and his American name.

Amen started doing that in 1983.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then why not throw the other transliterations in while your at it?

Iesous, Iesus, Yesha, but the whole deal about Him being Judean is moot, when you factor in that He was a Hellenized Judean.

Because they are simply different ways or translations of the same name.

Iesous = Greek
Iesus = Latin
Yesha = Never heard of this one before.

Yahoshua = Joshua (Hebrew) = Yeshua
Yahshua = Yeshua (early form)

Jesus a Hellenized Judean?
What evidence is there of that, it is a supposition, but it needs to be backed up by some evidence.

There were plenty of Jews which refused to assimilate into the Greek culture.

Even here in America, we right now have a whole bunch of ethnic people which simply refuse to assimilate into the American culture.

My mother has lived in America for almost 50 years yet she has simply refused to assimilate into American culture.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Because they are simply different ways or translations of the same name.

Iesous = Greek
Iesus = Latin
Yesha = Never heard of this one before.

Yahoshua = Joshua (Hebrew) = Yeshua
Yahshua = Yeshua (early form)

Jesus a Hellenized Judean?
What evidence is there of that, it is a supposition, but it needs to be backed up by some evidence.

There were plenty of Jews which refused to assimilate into the Greek culture.

Even here in America, we right now have a whole bunch of ethnic people which simply refuse to assimilate into the American culture.

My mother has lived in America for almost 50 years yet she has simply refused to assimilate into American culture.

Jesus was Hellenized not meaning He wandered about in a toga, crowned in laurels. Meaning that His language, His culture, His surroundings were majorly influenced by hundreds of years of Grecian influence since the time of Alexander. His language was Aramaic which was a foreign tongue to the Hebrew people adopted from their Assyrian, and Babylonian captivities.
When Alexander conquers the Middle East, and after his generals, the language again is influenced by Greek. Jesus quotes the LXX, Paul quotes the LXX. As far as anyone who refused to assimilate into the Greek culture, it was around far longer than 50 years. Jesus' apostle Phillip had a Greek name which couldn't be translated into Hebrew or Aramaic. There isn't a Hebrew name for the Friend of Horses.

When Jesus rebukes the Syrophoenician (Greek Syrian) by calling her an ankle biting dog. The phrase is totally Greek in origin. Jesus more than likely used it because it was a phrase used among the Greek Syrian people for anyone who was annoying. Yesha is found in your Strongs 3468, which the His name would of been Yesha because He would deliver, save His people. Iesous, and Iesus, are actually transliterations of Yesha, which was the earliest form of the later Yeshua, Yehoshua. In the LXX 300 years before the birth of Christ, the book of Joshua was called Iesous by the Hellenized Judeans of the Diaspora. Judaizing of the Gospels and the Church is nothing new, groups were busy and hard it for centuries. The Gospel wasn't to meant to stay in one geographical location, but in a language of the entire known world. It also wasn't meant to be Hebraized taking 2,000 years of His name to change it over candidates in baptism to make it sounds more authentic.

Don't get me wrong Birddog I love you and respect you as my friend, this is what I see as I study. The more I study, the more it gets even clearer. Ossuaries in Judea from the first century in Greek, and Aramaic. Judean rebel soldiers in the Bar-Kokhba Revolt only 65 years later, were unable to read messages of their leaders in Aramaic, but could only read messages in Greek.

So was Jesus smack in the middle of a Hellenized Hebrew world? I would have to emphatically say yes. Did He speak Greek? No doubt. Did His mother call Him Iesous? There is a great possibility she did. But even if she didn't, we have been baptizing, casting out demons, praying over our grits and eggs in Jesus name. 100s, even 1,000s of us. Making a name change to sound more Hebraic? Just makes little sense to ME. Yeshua, Yoshua, Yehoshua, Yesha, Yahavahsua, (I have heard some doozies) but the guess name this all over the place just depends on what Yahwist, Sacred Name, or Hebrew Roots group you deal with.