Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So we need some scribes to give us the keys of knowledge?

I question this idea that we need something other than the Bible to make sense of or to understand the Bible. Didn't God know what he was doing when he gave us his book?

Do you use a concordance? Or even just a regular dictionary? How about any other word study tools? Bible atlases? Josephus?

The fact is we are 1,900 plus years removed from the events of the New Testament. Even more so for the events of the OT. This idea that we can just read the Bible and understand it perfectly without help is faulty.

Yes, we can read the Bible alone in order to have a sufficient understanding of many things, but not all things. We've taken way too many things we've learned outside of the Bible in order to understand the Bible, for granted.

The Holy Spirit is given to guide us into all truth. And guess what? The Holy Spirit often leads us to extra-Biblical resources to get a revelation of or about the Word of God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Aaron said:

So the question remains: How many times are we going to evolve the name of our Savior? How many times are we going to let the evolution of our language dictate to us how we are supposed to pronounce the name of the Son of God?

Exactly!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus is the English form of Iesous. So, you obviously do NOT believe the NT Greek text/manuscripts etc are the preserved Word of God? Thanks for clearing that up.

Strongs Dictionary Page 123 under word number 3444 last sentence.

Jesus (a Greek form of yeshu'ah).

I will not go to the mat trying to prove the New Testament was all written in Greek as to what the ORIGINAL SCRIPT was. I do believe for sure there are very old Greek copies of the originals. Since none of us were there when Peter and James and Jude and John or Paul put their pens down on the text we cannot know what they themselves wrote in.

The earliest Greek scripts I recall reading about were at least 200 years after Christ. We do not know in what way the copies came to us.

We do know the earliest KNOWN GREEK copies disagree with each other in many places.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Aaron said:



Exactly!

Funny how that blows your favorite name out of the water!

I guess you are going to change to Yehoshua????

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Strongs Dictionary Page 123 under word number 3444 last sentence.

Jesus (a Greek form of yeshu'ah).

I will not go to the mat trying to prove the New Testament was all written in Greek as to what the ORIGINAL SCRIPT was. I do believe for sure there are very old Greek copies of the originals. Since none of us were there when Peter and James and Jude and John or Paul put their pens down on the text we cannot know what they themselves wrote in.

The earliest Greek scripts I recall reading about were at least 200 years after Christ. We do not know in what way the copies came to us.

We do know the earliest KNOWN GREEK copies disagree with each other in many places.

Where is your original Aramaic or Hebrew manuscripts Mike?

Again, this has little to do about a name, but the Hebrew Only crew is really telling us that the New Testament isn't really the original, but a Hellenized bad copy. Think about that. Sad.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

About the Peshitta - it ain't what sacred namers think it is:

http://aramaicnt.org/articles/proble...hitta-primacy/

There are also many articles on the net that would say they prove the opposite. You and I were not there when the Apostles wrote what they wrote. Some of it may have been in Greek. Some may have been Aramaic or Hebrew.

There is no doctrine that says the New Testament had to be wrote in one language. Thats believed because there are very old Greek versions compared to most others. While that is true it in no way proves what language any of the originals were written in.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Wait, you posted it was a search for truth issue, if people wanted more truth they would use your Aramaic Yeshua, instead of the Hebrew Yehoshua?

Good Grief!!!!

Is it a sin to use a Hebrew name AS WELL AS the name of Jesus?

[Steve Epley]

Well 27 pages discussing how to pronounce Jesus in Hebrew among all of us who can neither read nor speak the language that is amazing.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where is your original Aramaic or Hebrew manuscripts Mike?

Again, this has little to do about a name, but the Hebrew Only crew is really telling us that the New Testament isn't really the original, but a Hellenized bad copy. Think about that. Sad.

I dont believe there exists ONE original text anywhere. All we have are COPIES of the originals. I dont know of ANYONE who believes we have an ORIGINAL gospel or epistle.

Men have invented a doctrine that all the originals had to be in Greek across the board.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well 27 pages discussing how to pronounce Jesus in Hebrew among all of us who can neither read nor speak the language that is amazing.

27 pages of discussion about Jesus/Yeshua is not a bad thing is it? Perhaps one or more of us may learn something we did not know?