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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
Notice how this works.
Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, EL is my Yeshuah; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my Yeshuah.
Does this not sound the same as this?
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
EL (God) has become my Yeshuah.
Next verse,
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Who did Jesus want the women at the well to believe he was?
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Does THAT have no connection to THIS?
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Any connection to THIS?
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Heres a guy called Yeshuah saying come unto me and drink? Why? Because the LIVING WATERS came from HIM!
In offering them living waters he was offering him himself!
EL HAS BECOME MY YESHUAH!
13For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Jeremiah 2:13
The fountain of living waters was EL. He BECAME YESHUAH.
Let the rocks begin to fly.
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04-18-2016, 04:25 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Notice how this works.
Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, EL is my Yeshuah; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my Yeshuah.
Does this not sound the same as this?
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
EL (God) has become my Yeshuah.
Next verse,
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Who did Jesus want the women at the well to believe he was?
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Does THAT have no connection to THIS?
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Any connection to THIS?
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Heres a guy called Yeshuah saying come unto me and drink? Why? Because the LIVING WATERS came from HIM!
In offering them living waters he was offering him himself!
EL HAS BECOME MY YESHUAH!
13For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Jeremiah 2:13
The fountain of living waters was EL. He BECAME YESHUAH.
Let the rocks begin to fly. |
How does this show that Yeshua is better than Jesus? BTW, the word translated salvation in those verses is not translated Joshua, Jehoshua, etc, indicating it is the common word for "salvation" rather than a direct reference of a name. Related, absolutely, because Yeshua means essentially salvation. But I don't see how this shows the NT was written in Hebrew, or that Yeshua is better for English speakers than Jesus???
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04-18-2016, 04:28 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Notice how this works.
Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2
2Behold, EL is my Yeshuah; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my Yeshuah.
Does this not sound the same as this?
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
EL (God) has become my Yeshuah.
Next verse,
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Who did Jesus want the women at the well to believe he was?
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Does THAT have no connection to THIS?
3Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Yeshuah. Isaiah 12:2
Any connection to THIS?
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Heres a guy called Yeshuah saying come unto me and drink? Why? Because the LIVING WATERS came from HIM!
In offering them living waters he was offering him himself!
EL HAS BECOME MY YESHUAH!
13For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Jeremiah 2:13
The fountain of living waters was EL. He BECAME YESHUAH.
Let the rocks begin to fly. |
You got that from where?
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04-18-2016, 04:45 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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You got that from where?
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Isaiah the Prophet.
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04-18-2016, 04:53 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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How does this show that Yeshua is better than Jesus? BTW, the word translated salvation in those verses is not translated Joshua, Jehoshua, etc, indicating it is the common word for "salvation" rather than a direct reference of a name. Related, absolutely, because Yeshua means essentially salvation. But I don't see how this shows the NT was written in Hebrew, or that Yeshua is better for English speakers than Jesus???
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Well to someone who was HEBREW I would imagine they would quickly grasp the significance that EL BECAME YESHUAH.
In other words "God was manifest in the flesh".
Isaiah 12:2 is very good for proving Yeshuah is EL for anyone searching.
And if you cannot see anything in Jesus saying to the woman "if you knew who you were talking to he would give you living waters" when Isaiah had prophesied "with joy you will draw waters from the wells of Yeshuah" I probably could not add much to the concept.
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04-18-2016, 05:08 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Well to someone who was HEBREW I would imagine they would quickly grasp the significance that EL BECAME YESHUAH.
In other words "God was manifest in the flesh".
Isaiah 12:2 is very good for proving Yeshuah is EL for anyone searching.
And if you cannot see anything in Jesus saying to the woman "if you knew who you were talking to he would give you living waters" when Isaiah had prophesied "with joy you will draw waters from the wells of Yeshuah" I probably could not add much to the concept. |
A Hebrew would know that God is become salvation, not necessarily a man named Joshua.
The woman at the well has nothing to do with whether English speakers OUGHT to use Hebrew names for Christ. That's a clear non sequitur.
Paul wrote to Thessalonian believers. Did he write to them in Hebrew? Or Greek?
What about the Galatian believers? Or Titus? How about the Revelation, why does Jesus call himself the Alpha and Omega instead of the Alef and Tav?
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04-18-2016, 05:45 PM
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The woman at the well has nothing to do with whether English speakers OUGHT to use Hebrew names for Christ. That's a clear non sequitur.
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Its showing the link between his name (who it was talking to the woman) and the waters of life that would be drawn from it. Isaiah 12:3
Let me ask you a question. Have I ever said that English speakers OUGHT to use the Hebrew name.....EXCLUSIVELY?
That they should NOT use the name Jesus?
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04-18-2016, 07:03 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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You call him Mike but his real name is Michael, are you sure you are speaking to the same person?
It seems to me you are capable of realizing there are variations in the name of a person while speaking to the same person.
so why in your arguments can not there be variations in the name of Yeshua, like Yehoshua or some other variation?
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Too funny!
Bro, this isn't about the name anymore, this is about what I always believed about the Hebrew name groups. They start off with saying the name is a problem but then we find out the inevitable. The whole entire New Testament is translation from a LOST text? Good luck with that.
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04-18-2016, 07:13 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Well to someone who was HEBREW I would imagine they would quickly grasp the significance that EL BECAME YESHUAH.
In other words "God was manifest in the flesh".
Isaiah 12:2 is very good for proving Yeshuah is EL for anyone searching.
And if you cannot see anything in Jesus saying to the woman "if you knew who you were talking to he would give you living waters" when Isaiah had prophesied "with joy you will draw waters from the wells of Yeshuah" I probably could not add much to the concept. |
His name was Yehoshua.
Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation."
I guess you are going to have to call everyone back who you been baptizing in a feminine noun. 
yeshuah: salvation
Original Word: יְשׁוּעָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: yeshuah
Phonetic Spelling: (yesh-oo'-aw)
Short Definition: salvation
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04-18-2016, 07:16 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Its showing the link between his name (who it was talking to the woman) and the waters of life that would be drawn from it. Isaiah 12:3
Let me ask you a question. Have I ever said that English speakers OUGHT to use the Hebrew name.....EXCLUSIVELY?
That they should NOT use the name Jesus? |
Mike, you posted that if someone wanted truth that they would start to call Jesus Yeshua.
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