Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Paradise means garden. So, actually Jesus says I tell you today, you will be in the garden with me. What did Jesus mean by being in the garden?



Point is, that you need to cover your's with a hat.




No, you read what you wanted to see, and therefore this thread was created. God only knows???? Bro, are you in a mystery religion? God isn't a Greek deity looking to move us around a chess board. Not a Hindu god wanting to up the ante at the slightest whim. No, He taught His people, He allows them to know what is going on so they could prepare themselves.



As the tree falls there shall it lie. Sorry, but people need to repent when the call goes forth. Let's see Jeffrey Dahmer repents becomes Christian? Then is stabbed to death? Hitler repents before his death? The list is long and gross. Bro, how ungodly are we willing to paint this unrighteous picture of God to a sinner world? Who look at Christians and want to punch their lights out because they represent Jesus Christ so badly. Child molester cuts head off of a young Adam Walsh and repents on his death bed? Isn't that enough to make you blow your lunch.



Just get in line bro, there is tons of doctrine which people just don't agree with. So, get in line.



Well, well, maybe you should start posting some of those scripture.



Oh, so those are your conditions for Him? So, if He doesn't do it YOUR touchy feely way, then He is some joker false prophet? Wow.



More conditions for Jesus to meet your criteria of what can pass your religious litmus test. If Jesus doesn't do X,Y, or Z He isn't the God for me?

Sorry, but people are supposed to change with CONVERSION, hence the word's meaning. Not remain the same so to show the world that being a Christian is just another way to label a hypocrite.



Jesus came to the Israelite, the Judean, no Gentiles. The Gentiles had to find Him and prove they were worthy by their faith in Him to be what He said He is. The religious elite Jesus came to first, and went to those who were raised in their religion, believed in their religion, but weren't part of the Israeli cast system. He was accused of eating with publicans and sinners, but if you want to fly that up the flag pole you also would have to say that He was a drunken over eater, Matthew 11:19.

No deathbed salvation.

Today is the day of repentance 2 Corinthians 6:2.

Choose you this day who you will serve Joshua 24:15.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm not assuming anything. It's a question I'm happy to ask of anyone. If someone believes that people are forgiven when they repent, yet they believe that person is unsaved still---that is, going to hell---what were they forgiven of when they were forgiven? Again it's a simple question. I was asking you for an answer, but would be happy for anyone here to offer an explanation of how that works.

I believe that people are forgiven when they repent. This guy ate a friggin cookie...

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Enough with the thief in the cross, he was in the old covenant not in the new.

He does not count in the New Covenant.

That explanation presents a conundrum: you are saying that it was easier to be saved in the OT versus the NT. Which obviously isn't true. The OT was much more challenging and difficult. This man would've had to come down off of the cross, gone to the Temple and offered a sacrifice for his sin, and possibly go through other ceremonial cleansing rites. No, this is relevant to the debate. The greatest Bible scholars of history and presently agree that the thief on the cross is a perfect picture of grace.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Paradise means garden. So, actually Jesus says I tell you today, you will be in the garden with me. What did Jesus mean by being in the garden?

Amazing that this interpretation is nonexistent. But for the sake of argument I won't disagree with you. Which leads me to the obvious question: what in the heck does that mean? Jesus was telling him he'd be in a GARDEN after he died? What's that??? Is this like a nicer purgatory?

No, you read what you wanted to see, and therefore this thread was created. God only knows???? Bro, are you in a mystery religion? God isn't a Greek deity looking to move us around a chess board. Not a Hindu god wanting to up the ante at the slightest whim. No, He taught His people, He allows them to know what is going on so they could prepare themselves.

Whatever. I read what I read, the author reported he confessed his sins. My God is mysterious, the Bible reveals Him to be so. We certainly can understand things about Him, but who can know the mind of the Lord? His ways are past finding out. As far as the heavens are above the earth are His ways above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts. We can know much as followers of Christ. Judging whether a man truly repented or not, not being present at that moment, reading only conflicting reports, is really something none of us can know for sure. So yes, GOD ONLY KNOWS.

As the tree falls there shall it lie. Sorry, but people need to repent when the call goes forth. Let's see Jeffrey Dahmer repents becomes Christian? Then is stabbed to death? Hitler repents before his death? The list is long and gross. Bro, how ungodly are we willing to paint this unrighteous picture of God to a sinner world? Who look at Christians and want to punch their lights out because they represent Jesus Christ so badly. Child molester cuts head off of a young Adam Walsh and repents on his death bed? Isn't that enough to make you blow your lunch.

Until you understand the grossness of your own sinfulness and guilt, you'll always be blind to Biblical grace. As long as you see other fellow sinners as worse than you, as long as your attitude is "at least I haven't done ______ like this man or that man (see Luke 18:9-14)" then you won't believe that a person in their last moments can be saved. EB Jesus was killed for your sins and Hitler's and Dahmer's and the most notorious of sinners. The guilt is universal.

Oh, so those are your conditions for Him? So, if He doesn't do it YOUR touchy feely way, then He is some joker false prophet? Wow.

Not conditions. Reality. My God can and will save anyone who believes. Even someone on their deathbed. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Sorry, but people are supposed to change with CONVERSION, hence the word's meaning. Not remain the same so to show the world that being a Christian is just another way to label a hypocrite.

Of course. But someone moments from death won't have any more opportunities to show the world the change. Except maybe some remaining courage as they face mortality. Maybe a chance to tell a nurse about the peace they have made with God. Maybe a chance to let His light shine to some unbelieving kin folks who are by their side.

Jesus came to the Israelite, the Judean, no Gentiles. The Gentiles had to find Him and prove they were worthy by their faith in Him to be what He said He is. The religious elite Jesus came to first, and went to those who were raised in their religion, believed in their religion, but weren't part of the Israeli cast system. He was accused of eating with publicans and sinners, but if you want to fly that up the flag pole you also would have to say that He was a drunken over eater, Matthew 11:19.

The Gentiles had to PROVE THEY WERE WORTHY??? Dude---NOBODY IS WORTHY!!!

This is Exhibit A for why Apostolic theology fails. Salvation is by works. You have to prove yourself worthy for God's mercy. You have to show Him you are good enough---you're not a Hitler or a Dahmer or as awful as the really bad bad bad sinners. Pray, go to church, tithe, help with churchyard cleanup, worship like a zealot, and a host of other ways to demonstrate your godliness, and you'll impress God and He will grant you mercy.

Awful.

No deathbed salvation.

It's appointed into man once to die---THEN---comes the judgment. As long as you're alive---you can escape judgment.

Today is the day of repentance 2 Corinthians 6:2.

Yessir. And if you're alive today---even if on a deathbed---you can repent!

Choose you this day who you will serve Joshua 24:15.

Yes! Even if you are weak and frail and nigh unto death!!! Do it today!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Amazing that this interpretation is nonexistent. But for the sake of argument I won't disagree with you. Which leads me to the obvious question: what in the heck does that mean? Jesus was telling him he'd be in a GARDEN after he died? What's that??? Is this like a nicer purgatory?

Thank you. Since you don't know what the "heck" that means then you haven't the slightest idea what Jesus meant when He made the comment. Bible school did nothing for you, your experience in Pentecost was a flash of white light, and sadly you are now the sorriest rendition of a Baptist. Contemplate that, on the Tree of Woe.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Whatever. I read what I read, the author reported he confessed his sins.

Then you should of gone a little further than your Roman Catholic author and checked out some unbiased sources. Ragamuffin Gospel? How utterly putrid.
But our friend Michael the Disciple found an article which you should of taken the time to peruse. It gave a good play by play. Rock's caretaker boyfriend call the priest, the priest came, made a decision to administer the sanctified cracker, and give LAST RIGHTS. Finito! He confessed his sins? What in tarnation is that??? Sorry, but the Bible doesn't prescribe such foolishness, and pass it off as the Gospel. DB you read things with a skewed view. Waterboard and Manna???

Good God from Zion!!!

Originally Posted by deacon blues

My God is mysterious, the Bible reveals Him to be so.

No doubt, your god has to be, in order for YOU to fill in all the blanks.
The workers who came last paid with the same wage, were the remnant of Israel, and the Gentiles. Not sexual deviants who bypassed God's mercy, to play Him as a first rate chump at the last minute.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

We certainly can understand things about Him, but who can know the mind of the Lord?

Bro, it isn't about knowing whats on His mind, but He gave us all the information concerning soteriology. This is why sinners just can't deal with the change every second Christianity. It is as consistent as the Weather Channel.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

His ways are past finding out.

Bro, taking verses out of their context never works for anyone. Unless you are dealing with a frustrated soccer mom going through a bad divorce. Dude, Jesus is the revelation, the revealing of the plan of God for Judea, and the remnant of Israel, to all the nations. God made it plan through His Word in the Body of Christ. So sorry that your experience was nothing more than a flash of white light filled with white noise on full blast.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

As far as the heavens are above the earth are His ways above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts.

DB, you are setting up a scenario which leads into a ditch. You are building a case for a Gnostic deity which you can never understand what He wants from you. Therefore you are covered in bandages awaiting your own death where you are finally perfected? The death, burial, and resurrection wasn't enough, but your own death brings salvation? Hinduism 101

Originally Posted by deacon blues

We can know much as followers of Christ. Judging whether a man truly repented or not, not being present at that moment, reading only conflicting reports, is really something none of us can know for sure. So yes, GOD ONLY KNOWS.

Yes, God does know, therefore He relayed it through His teachers, prophets, and Body. While you are trying to be nicer than Jesus with your bypassing of the Gospel to build yourself a tower to out do God's plan of salvation. You lose everything. If the blind lead the blind they BOTH fall into a ditch. DB, tie your shoelaces.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Until you understand the grossness of your own sinfulness and guilt, you'll always be blind to Biblical grace. As long as you see other follow sinners as worse than you, as long as your attitude is "at least I haven't done ______" like this man or that man (see Luke 18:9-14)" then you won't believe that a person in their last moments can be saved. EB Jesus was killed for your sins and Hitler's and Dahmer's and the most notorious of sinners. The guilt is universal.

Sorry, but that doesn't float. Walking around in sack cloth and ashes isn't going to make you better than anyone. But knowing how to help them get out of the sackcloth and into the joy of the Lord through the Holy Ghost is what they are looking for!!!!! You know, allow me to point out how bipolar your beliefs are. You want to waterboard people, but you talk about God's grace? You want to arm yourself to kill your enemy, but talk about God's grace? Bro, look around you! All of the sinners who just shake their heads when they hear that sort of psychobabble.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Not conditions. Reality. My God can and will save anyone who believes. Even someone on their deathbed. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

The God of the Bible laid out a plan, don't follow the plan, then you trample the blood He laid out for you to wear. Sorry, but your pseudo water weak Baptist mantras are failing this country and her prisons. Sorry, bro they just didn't work.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Of course. But someone moments from death won't have any more opportunities to show the world the change. Except maybe some remaining courage as they face mortality. Maybe a chance to tell a nurse about the peace they have made with God. Maybe a chance to let His light shine to some unbelieving kin folks who are by their side.

Well, that maybe the stories of saints of God as they are dying, but not Mr Hudson.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

The Gentiles had to PROVE THEY WERE WORTHY??? Dude---NOBODY IS WORTHY!!!

Bro, try reading a Bible sometimes instead of snippets. DB, they came to Jesus, Jesus wasn't there for THEM. He tells the Syrophoenician woman that she was a pesky little dog, but when she showed HER FAITH He responded.
Man, religion gave you are brutal shark attack.

So, you are on an Apostolic forum to do what?

To preach about waterboarding, hatred for Muslims, and tell everyone about your liberty from the Apostolic movement to Jail House Jesus Grace?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you. Since you don't know what the "heck" that means then you haven't the slightest idea what Jesus meant when He made the comment. Bible school did nothing for you, your experience in Pentecost was a flash of white light, and sadly you are now the sorriest rendition of a Baptist. Contemplate that, on the Tree of Woe.

You do a pretty good impersonation of a Pharisee. I want you to be Caiaphas next year for our Passion Play!

Then you should of gone a little further than your Roman Catholic author and checked out some unbiased sources. Ragamuffin Gospel? How utterly putrid.
But our friend Michael the Disciple found an article which you should of taken the time to peruse. It gave a good play by play. Rock's caretaker boyfriend call the priest, the priest came, made a decision to administer the sanctified cracker, and give LAST RIGHTS. Finito! He confessed his sins? What in tarnation is that??? Sorry, but the Bible doesn't prescribe such foolishness, and pass it off as the Gospel. DB you read things with a skewed view. Waterboard and Manna???

Good God from Zion!!!

Chillax EB. You go ahead and be all giddy about Rock Hudson's eternal damnation. It's a free country. I hope somehow he repented.

I'll stop arguing with about Rock, but will be happy to continue the conversation about deathbed salvation.

No doubt, your god has to be, in order for YOU to fill in all the blanks.
The workers who came last paid with the same wage, were the remnant of Israel, and the Gentiles. Not sexual deviants who bypassed God's mercy, to play Him as a first rate chump at the last minute.

And your god is slow to mercy and quick to anger. Kind of like you. He's a god in your image!

Yes, God does know, therefore He relayed it through His teachers, prophets, and Body. While you are trying to be nicer than Jesus with your bypassing of the Gospel to build yourself a tower to out do God's plan of salvation. You lose everything. If the blind lead the blind they BOTH fall into a ditch. DB, tie your shoelaces.

Nobody present with Hudson were the true Church EB, so how can we know the truth??? They are all heathens! Can't trust those counterfeit Christians.

Sorry, but that doesn't float. Walking around in sack cloth and ashes isn't going to make you better than anyone. But knowing how to help them get out of the sackcloth and into the joy of the Lord through the Holy Ghost is what they are looking for!!!!! You know, allow me to point out how bipolar your beliefs are. You want to waterboard people, but you talk about God's grace? You want to arm yourself to kill your enemy, but talk about God's grace? Bro, look around you! All of the sinners who just shake their heads when they hear that sort of psychobabble.

"Allow" you to point something out? HAHAHA!!! That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on AFF!

Hey everybody---EB asked permission to share his highly sought-after opinion!!!

As if...

The God of the Bible laid out a plan, don't follow the plan, then you trample the blood He laid out for you to wear. Sorry, but your pseudo water weak Baptist mantras are failing this country and her prisons. Sorry, bro they just didn't work.

I'm no Baptist, they wouldn't want me. However, you use it a a pejorative, and the funny thing is that they are 10 times larger than the Pentecostals. So if it isn't working---why do the baptists remain the largest?

Bro, try reading a Bible sometimes instead of snippets. DB, they came to Jesus, Jesus wasn't there for THEM. He tells the Syrophoenician woman that she was a pesky little dog, but when she showed HER FAITH He responded.
Man, religion gave you are brutal shark attack.

The old weak debate tactic of call into question the opponents sincerity. There's obviously a severe mental defect if I disagree with God's gift to the human race---EB.

So, you are on an Apostolic forum to do what?

To preach about waterboarding, hatred for Muslims, and tell everyone about your liberty from the Apostolic movement to Jail House Jesus Grace?

And you are here to do what? Suck all the oxygen out of the forum???

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

You do a pretty good impersonation of a Pharisee. I want you to be Caiaohas next year for our Passion Play!

Who?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Chillax EB. You go ahead and be all giddy about Rock Hudson's eternal damnation. It's a free country. I hope somehow he repented.

No, no one is giddy, no one is happy about sinners missing out on the Holy Ghost and gaining eternal life. You just love your John Lennon Christianity. Did you happen to finally get "Imagine" into your hymnals?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'll stop arguing with about Rock, but will be happy to continue the conversation about deathbed salvation.

Waiting?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

And your god is slow to mercy and quick to anger. Kind of like you. He's a god in your image!

Sorry, remember you are Mr Waterboard a GoGo!

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Nobody present with Hudson were the true Church EB, so how can we know the truth??? They are all heathens! Can't trust those counterfeit Christians.

Would you like to prove Catholicism now?

Are you a Universalist?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

"Allow" you to point something out? HAHAHA!!! That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on AFF!

Oh, you thank God that you are not like other men, especially like EB.
DB, we don't do Passion Plays, but I bet you do a mean Caiaphas?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Hey everybody---EB asked permission to share his highly sought-after opinion!!!

Oh, I forgot, only your opinion is worthy. You had God reprimand you when you were in Bible college because you weren't winning souls. So you found a place of prayer to pray for your comrades. I guess God approves of you posting your opinions on waterboarding, and telling married men that there daughters could be raped.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

As if...

As if what? I can just imagine what words you would place after the dots.

Dude you need the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm no Baptist,

You do a good job faking it.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm no Baptist, they wouldn't want me.

Oh, I'm not surprised.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

However, you use it a a pejorative, and the funny thing is that they are 10 times larger than the Pentecostals. So if it's working---why do the baptists remain the largest?

Matthew 7:14

Sorry but The Western and Eastern Roman churches are the largest. Atheism is growing in the country, and in Europe. I bet when their numbers start to double you will believe they are having a move of God.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

The old weak debate tactic of call into question the opponents sincerity. There's obviously a severe mental defect if I disagree with God's gift to the human race---EB.

No, you just don't know how to answer. Nothing in my post which you quoted said anything about you being a sorehead, or a cry baby if you disagreed. It isn't about you disagreeing or agreeing. You just don't have any rebuttal, or answers. You want to believe in some banged up Jail House Jesus that's on you. You know that greasy grace is a sham, you know that it is found no where in history. You question it yourself, but refuse to denounce it as religious nonsense.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

And you are here to do what? Suck all the oxygen out of the forum???

No, that job was taken by you years ago.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Are you a Universalist?

No. There is a lake of fire, and those whose names are not written in the lambs book of life will be cast into it. However I am a believer in the Gospel and in the grace of God. I believe John's revelation that saw a number in heaven which was beyond description. I believe it's far easier to get saved than what many of the apostolics I have known believe, and I Believe it's much more difficult to be lost then what I was led to believe as a young person and young minister. You might think that the book of life is written on a 3 x 5 card, I disagree.

Oh, you thank God that you are not like other men, especially like EB.
DB, we don't do Passion Plays, but I bet you do a mean Caiaphas?

You want to believe I think that but actually no, you aren't any different than me nor am I you. God have mercy on you, God have mercy on me for we are sinners. I know you don't like hearing it, but the above statement is 100% wrong. You are wrong occasionally EB.

As if what? I can just imagine what words you would place after the dots.

You can imagine all sorts of things, obviously imaging the worst from me, however "as if" was to say "as if I really want to hear your opinion on every subject on AFF." My opinion of you is that your opinion of yourself and your point of view is highly overinflated.

Dude you need the Holy Ghost.

Don't we all...

Sorry but The Western and Eastern Roman churches are the largest. Atheism is growing in the country, and in Europe. I bet when their numbers start to double you will believe they are having a move of God.

Of course I don't believe that sheer numbers are the determining factor of who is truly working on God's behalf. However using "Baptist" as a pejorative, while a stinging rebuke in your eyes, doesn't bother me because I know good Baptists, they are godly people, they bear the fruit of the Spirit, and I believe we will share heaven with them. I have a lot of respect for the Baptist movement. Which I'm sure is no surprise to you. And I'm sure will elicit a very melodramatic response. I get it. I used to think that we were the only ones going to heaven too. I used to believe all of the rest of the Christian world was going to split hell wide open too. So I get it. Still, calling me a Baptist doesn't hurt my feelings. I'm not a Baptist, but I don't take offense even though that's the goal.

No, you just don't know how to answer. Nothing in my post which you quoted said anything about you being a sorehead, or a cry baby if you disagreed. It isn't about you disagreeing or agreeing. You just don't have any rebuttal, or answers. You want to believe in some banged up Jail House Jesus that's on you. You know that greasy grace is a sham, you know that it is found no where in history. You question it yourself, but refuse to denounce it as religious nonsense.

No, I don't have the time or the energy to accumulate 16,000+ posts and respond to every single thread and share my opinion to the entire AFF world. You see yourself as the truth crusader, that it's your calling to argue, fuss and fight about everything. And you love for guys like me to jump into the ring and spar with you so you can show everyone your prowess. I'm game once in a while, but I do have a job, actually a couple of jobs, a marriage, a family. AFF is a casual pastime for me. It's not my address.

No, that job was taken by you years ago.

16,000+ posts---many of which are novellas---versus my post total displays who the heavy breather is around here. You are ubiquitous here. I'm just a every now and then customer. After the presidential election I will be even more scarce.

But go ahead and get the last word.

You win! Yay!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

No. There is a lake of fire, and those whose names are not written in the lambs book of life will be cast into it. However I am a believer in the Gospel and in the grace of God. I believe John's revelation that saw a number in heaven which was beyond description. I believe it's far easier to get saved than what many of the apostolics I have known believe, and I Believe it's much more difficult to be lost then what I was led to believe as a young person and young minister. You might think that the book of life is written on a 3 x 5 card, I disagree.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'll stop arguing with about Rock, but will be happy to continue the conversation about deathbed salvation.

Actually, the above was never true, I read your posts but find nothing more than your pyschological projection. You know why you and I bang heads? because you yourself are one opinionated dude, which isn't a bad thing, because we are on a forum!

So, we are expected to present our opinions whether you like it or not. I know, I know, you would really like to have a captive audience who sit idly by while you preach sweet daddy grace on one hand, and waterboarding, violent self defense, peppered with women and children being raped. That to me is like a bell rang by Pavlov. Listen DB, I am just fascinated by people like you.
Who say that they can't even figure out why God would save them, but would want to see Muslims tied down and waterboarded. Or anyone for that matter, any human being. I read your posts and just can't believe that you make comments that we all need the Holy Ghost, but would subject someone to torture?

Originally Posted by deacon blues

You want to believe I think that but actually no,

But couldn't I say that to you? No, because your opinions are the only ones that count.

DB=

Originally Posted by deacon blues

you aren't any different than me nor am I you.

But we are, we are different. I believe that is another fallacy of what you believe. Everyone is different in their own way, not everyone wants to torture people even if it was to save a thousand people. They wouldn't hurt anyone. I'm amazed of bravery like that.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

God have mercy on you, God have mercy on me for we are sinners.

So, sin no more less a worse thing happen to you means what? So, John 5:14 was an idle threat? Why didn't Jesus explain to this guy that it was impossible for him to do what Jesus just prescribed? What about John 8:11? Jesus tells the woman that she had no accusers, and therefore He would not condemn her, but she was to no longer sin. 1 John 3:8 says those who continue to sin are of the devil? That's another thing which really people don't understand. You guys are always telling people that you are constantly doing bad things, when your Bible says not to do bad things. You excuse your behavior by saying that you can't help it because your a sinner. We have a sister in the church who taught in prison. She at times would have inmates who were allowed to assist in the classes. She had one individual who was a Bible study leader, and very well versed in scripture, even had a prayer group. But she found out that he was transferred from another facility, and for something he did. Come to find out that he and one of his prayer partners were working in the prison dental office. While there they attacked and brutally raped the female dental assistant. Breaking the woman's jaw.

I said all that to say this, the whole perpetual sinner form of religion is a Jail House Jesus religion. It preaches primarily that you cannot stop sinning, that you are so much a sinner that only your own death, burial, and resurrection can get you out of the sinning business. So, change, personal change isn't ever expected. Because after all you are a sinner. The rest of the world really doesn't buy it, and believe it is pretty hypocritical to read the Bible while watching porn on the Internet. Bob Coy (a pastor in Fort Lauderdale) was sat down because he was addicted to Internet porn, and having sexual relations with the people who attend his 20,000 plus congregation in Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale. When he was busted he never addressed the congregation which he built with only a handful of people. He sent them a dear John letter which one of his assistants read to the people. You would think that was the end and the minister would seek rehabilitation, no longer to preach behind a pulpit. But that isn't the case in once a sinner always a sinner religion, the grace band-aid over a sucking, bleeding, bullet wound. People wanted Bob Coy back in the pulpit. They wanted his MARRIAGE sermons back on line. Why? Because aren't we all sinners!!! People who are on the outside of the three ring circus called American Churchanity just look with disgust. Shake their heads and say, "I may not know anything about the Bible or Jesus, but I know that garbage can't be it." Sad, but The American Industrial Church Complex of Once a Sinner Always a Sinner has hands dripping with blood from those they have strangled away from Christ.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

16,000+ posts-

Been a member since 2007.

But if that's the best you could do, then have at it.

DB=

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That to me is like a bell rang by Pavlov. Listen DB, I am just fascinated by people like you.

"That to me is like a bell RUNG by Pavlov."

Johnny will you RING the bell? (present tense)
Johnny RANG the bell. (past tense)
The bell RUNG by Johnny was loud. (past participle)

So, sin no more less a worse thing happen to you means what? So, John 5:14 was an idle threat? Why didn't Jesus explain to this guy that it was impossible for him to do what Jesus just prescribed? What about John 8:11? Jesus tells the woman that she had no accusers, and therefore He would not condemn her, but she was to no longer sin. 1 John 3:8 says those who continue to sin are of the devil? That's another thing which really people don't understand. You guys are always telling people that you are constantly doing bad things, when your Bible says not to do bad things. You excuse your behavior by saying that you can't help it because your a sinner. We have a sister in the church who taught in prison. She at times would have inmates who were allowed to assist in the classes. She had one individual who was a Bible study leader, and very well versed in scripture, even had a prayer group. But she found out that he was transferred from another facility, and for something he did. Come to find out that he and one of his prayer partners were working in the prison dental office. While there they attacked and brutally raped the female dental assistant. Breaking the woman's jaw.

I said all that to say this, the whole perpetual sinner form of religion is a Jail House Jesus religion. It preaches primarily that you cannot stop sinning, that you are so much a sinner that only your own death, burial, and resurrection can get you out of the sinning business. So, change, personal change isn't ever expected. Because after all you are a sinner. The rest of the world really doesn't buy it, and believe it is pretty hypocritical to read the Bible while watching porn on the Internet. Bob Coy (a pastor in Fort Lauderdale) was sat down because he was addicted to Internet porn, and having sexual relations with the people who attend his 20,000 plus congregation in Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale. When he was busted he never addressed the congregation which he built with only a handful of people. He sent them a dear John letter which one of his assistants read to the people. You would think that was the end and the minister would seek rehabilitation, no longer to preach behind a pulpit. But that isn't the case in once a sinner always a sinner religion, the grace band-aid over a sucking, bleeding, bullet wound. People wanted Bob Coy back in the pulpit. They wanted his MARRIAGE sermons back on line. Why? Because aren't we all sinners!!! People who are on the outside of the three ring circus called American Churchanity just look with disgust. Shake their heads and say, "I may not know anything about the Bible or Jesus, but I know that garbage can't be it." Sad, but The American Industrial Church Complex of Once a Sinner Always a Sinner has hands dripping with blood from those they have strangled away from Christ.

Paul said he was chiefest of sinners---saying that as an Apostle, a believer, a disciple of Jesus, and prolific NT writer.
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Been a member since 2007.

Me too.