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View Poll Results: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Yes: Christians do not reach sinless perfection after salvation.
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05-04-2016, 08:32 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
I think part of the problem is twofold.
1. Sinners are not being led to feel God's abhorrence of sin. Therefore their repentance is often limited or superficial. "A repentant lifestyle" is often believed to mean "WHEN I sin I will repent, again and again, each time I sin" rather than a lifestyle of maintaining that original repentance as an ongoing attitude.
2. Christ's power to deliver and save from sin is not emphasized enough or as thoroughly as it ought to be. We are to CONTINUOUSLY present ourselves as a whole burnt offering to God, a continuous ongoing total consecration to Him, and HE sends the fire to sanctify and consume our offering. He is the one who perfects us, but we must yield to his sanctifying power and grace.
And that yielding must be ongoing and steadfast.
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05-04-2016, 09:48 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
Just want to be clear. I am not advocating sin. Every time a person lies, breaks a commitment, speaks evil dignities, or does anything contrary to faith it is a sin. I just want to say I sometimes fall short. I don't mean that as an excuse, but Lord have mercy. I have the Holy Ghost and if I am error it don't take me long to know it. Maybe we are saying the same thing from a different point of view. If sin never surfaces in any way in your life how does the Holy Ghost convict you?
If there is nothing wrong why have conviction? Why does the Bible speak of a Father chastening a son in relation to God and his children? If they never make wrong decisions why chastisement necessary.
Of course I don't advocate sin. We should flee temptation, shun evil, abhor sin, etc...., and all that stuff. I would be careful of this doctrine of pre-resurrection perfection. I have known some wonderful men of God in my life, but none without faults.
Faults=Sins
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James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
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05-04-2016, 10:58 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Originally Posted by good samaritan
Just want to be clear. I am not advocating sin. Every time a person lies, breaks a commitment, speaks evil dignities, or does anything contrary to faith it is a sin. I just want to say I sometimes fall short. I don't mean that as an excuse, but Lord have mercy. I have the Holy Ghost and if I am error it don't take me long to know it. Maybe we are saying the same thing from a different point of view. If sin never surfaces in any way in your life how does the Holy Ghost convict you?
If there is nothing wrong why have conviction? Why does the Bible speak of a Father chastening a son in relation to God and his children? If they never make wrong decisions why chastisement necessary.
Of course I don't advocate sin. We should flee temptation, shun evil, abhor sin, etc...., and all that stuff. I would be careful of this doctrine of pre-resurrection perfection. I have known some wonderful men of God in my life, but none without faults.
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I understand everything you are trying to convey. But 1st John 3 pretty much nails it all down nicely. Whether you or I, or the butcher, baker, and the candle stick maker can't get it on the go. Then the Bible is right and somebody is wrong. No one's behavior is a measure for the scripture. The scripture says what it says. Whether we like it or not.
1 John 3:7-9
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOETH righteousness IS righteous, even as HE is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin, because he is born of God.
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05-04-2016, 10:59 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Just want to be clear. I am not advocating sin.
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I totally understand where you are coming from.
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05-04-2016, 11:02 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
The poll options are skewed. The fact is we can live without sinning ONLY SO LONG AS WE walk after the Spirit. As soon as we cease that walk, we can and will sin.
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05-04-2016, 11:11 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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The poll options are skewed. The fact is we can live without sinning ONLY SO LONG AS WE walk after the Spirit. As soon as we cease that walk, we can and will sin.
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05-04-2016, 11:18 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
Blameless
ἄμεμπτος amemptoi (Adj-NMP)
Blameless, free from fault or defect. Irreproachable.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
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05-06-2016, 12:33 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
I have a different take on it Yes we do sin. In Romans 6 paul is not talking about acts or works of sin, but the body of sin or the sinful nature that resides in us all. To be control by that is where the problem lies. The entire context refers to the body of sin has been destroyed when we have been baptized in Jesus name and our faith is made righteous with him. So we should always confess our sins, but to know that the body of sin has been destroyed.
If you notice in the previous chapter where he mentions that sin brought forth death, being the law of sin(not works of sin)and Grace brings forth righteousness by walking in the spirit.
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05-06-2016, 04:21 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I understand everything you are trying to convey. But 1st John 3 pretty much nails it all down nicely. Whether you or I, or the butcher, baker, and the candle stick maker can't get it on the go. Then the Bible is right and somebody is wrong. No one's behavior is a measure for the scripture. The scripture says what it says. Whether we like it or not.
1 John 3:7-9
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOETH righteousness IS righteous, even as HE is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin, because he is born of God. |
A better translation...
1 John 3:7-9 (ESV)
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
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05-06-2016, 08:33 PM
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Re: Do Christians Sin After Salvation?
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Originally Posted by houston
A better translation...
1 John 3:7-9 (ESV)
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. |
Excellent!
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