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Old 05-07-2016, 08:17 AM
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hey, 2000 years ago that was the only way; no one had heard of Christ. I'm not denying that it is still valid today; but the Holy Spirit has quite obviously made a move, away from our churches, so maybe i am just suggesting to follow. Or to give other Scripture equal billing, lol--we love to hold to the Scriptures that empower us, and make us out to be the heads, and don't much like reading "become a little child" or "pick up your cross."
You have an odd idea of what "churches" are. It matter snot what churches are. It matters what the word says. THE word stands forever. And regardless of what you or I think of church, the word still is in effect and another age has not come with another covenant since the cross.
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Bible is all we need, and it contains the teaching we require for salvation, and that includes the work of the cross of Christ.
see, i don't see "Muslims" in that statement anywhere

but i do see Judge not, lest you be judged.
and forgive, and you will be forgiven.

So really i am just suggesting that one pick up their cross, since we have plenty of people talking about it already.
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see, i don't see "Muslims" in that statement anywhere

but i do see Judge not, lest you be judged.
and forgive, and you will be forgiven.
You fail to read all of what Jesus said about judge in Matt 7.

And you forget repeating what the bible says is letting God judge, not us judging anything.
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You fail to read all of what Jesus said about judge in Matt 7.

And you forget repeating what the bible says is letting God judge, not us judging anything.
So you say; yet Christ made it plain that He did not come to judge.

Mike, it has become plain to me that you really don't know Christ at all; can i lead you to Him?

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So you say; yet Christ made it plain that He did not come to judge.

Mike, it has become plain to me that you really don't know Christ at all; can i lead you to Him?
Brother Blume, please consider the source.

You are dealing with a Troll.
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So you say; yet Christ made it plain that He did not come to judge.

Mike, it has become plain to me that you really don't know Christ at all; can i lead you to Him?
Lo! He is here. Lo! He is there.

If any should say this to you, believe them not.

shazeep, you have a funny way of speaking for God, knowing how He will judge and mete out eternal justice, but then tell us we haven't the right to know who is saved or lost, according to the Final Judgment at the Throne of Christ.

You are effectively making yourself out to be a prophet with special insight and knowledge of the Holy One.

And yet, how little of the Holy One's Eternal Word you use.

A few verses here and there, "judge not", "forgive and be forgiven", "become like little children", "know them by their fruits", and etc. do not paint the entire picture of the Christian faith.

You who openly admits to failing all of God's commands on a regular basis and then assume to tell others how to know and perceive Christ?

Romans 2:21-24,

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21. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22. Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege
23. Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
You're preaching how we should not do this or that, yet plainly tell us you fail God in all of His commandments on a regular basis, thereby declaring you are guilty of the very things you tell us not to be doing.

And such actions are, according to Holy Scripture, hypocritical.

You're so bent on getting the alleged beam out of our eyes, and yet have you not considered the beam that is in your own eye?

Muslims will be judged based on what they know of Christ as Spirit? What Angel of Light told you that one?

Who in this world is able to bypass the cross, circumvent the Gospel, and still find saving eternal grace in the eyes of God? Christ tasted death for everyone, so that THROUGH HIM all men and women might be saved.

God chooses the foolishness of preaching to save. How shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall a preacher preach, lest he be sent? And how shall the preacher be sent, lest he is willing to go? And how can the preacher even dream of going if all he can say to the Muslim is "I don't know if your saved or lost; God will judge you according to what you know about Jesus (Isa), according to the Qu'ran".

That's not a gospel. That's a "meh", you're on your own, kid. There is no love in your message at all.

The salvation of the world has been entrusted to the Church. We are the Body of Messiah, His active, acting agent and representative to all, in every tribe, tongue, and nation. There is no salvation outside of the Body of Christ. This Body alone is the temple of God through the Spirit. Whosoever sins we retain, they are retained.

We pray people in Christ's stead to be reconciled to God. No one accidentally fell backwards into the Kingdom of God one day, all on their own. This holy nation of royal priests has a job to do and a commission to do it.

You're so wary of saying "All ______ are lost". You don't want anyone to fill in the blank. Well here I go, filling in the blank:

ALL UNREGENERATE SINNERS ARE LOST.

If not, then someone somewhere out there didn't come short of the glory of God, and will make it just fine on their own. The blood of Jesus? No thanks, I've got enough light to make it to heaven all by myself.

How absurd! Get real. Get your head out of the clouds of your own making, and find a place of repentance if God will grant you one, and sacrifice this nonsense right out of you. Seriously.
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Brother Blume, please consider the source.

You are dealing with a Troll.
yet i have Scriptural backing, and I'm just fulfilling the Great Commission the way that you yourself understand it. We read that there is no condemnation in those who are in Christ; and while one might debate whether that condemnation is incoming or outgoing, those who say "All Muslims are lost" have both bases covered; they condemn Muslims, or any Christians who disagree with them, etc, and i condemn them, for conforming to the world and trying to legitimize it with Christ.

So who is the troll? Those repeating gossip and slander against others, because that is all they have, or the guy saying "foul?" You decide.
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Seriously.
exactly. so why do you expect a Muslim to feel any different? An unregenerate sinner demonstrates that they have not changed their mind, and generally displays the same mindset as everyone else, which in America might be described as dissing Muslims incoherently, and only shutting up when someone asks you what any Muslim has ever done to you--or Catholic, or whomever else is being condemned that day; just like most people all over the world do. "We have got it right, and everyone else, not so much."

So maybe we should refine the definition of "unregenerate sinner" here, because to me that = bigots who have found some isolated Scriptures to condemn other people with, which is what they were going to do anyway, but now they get to pretend that God said it. As you think, so are you, and you are free to sugar coat it with claims of channeling God all you like.

What i don't really get tho is i quote Christ and get shouted down by people who claim Jesus is God but quote Paul go figure

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You have an odd idea of what "churches" are. It matter snot what churches are. It matters what the word says. THE word stands forever. And regardless of what you or I think of church, the word still is in effect and another age has not come with another covenant since the cross.
hmm. well, 65 million Americans have left church, so perhaps it is our idea of church that is odd. As to the rest, i agree! There is no condemnation in those who are in Christ. Judge not, and you won't be judged. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. You will never get complaints from practicing the gifts of the Spirit. Apparently, that only happens if you are a Muslim or a Catholic
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So you say; yet Christ made it plain that He did not come to judge.

Mike, it has become plain to me that you really don't know Christ at all; can i lead you to Him?
sir you don't even believe the bible. you've got a crossless bible.
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