IHOP - an eyewitness account

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

What is this new thing that God is doing today that He wasn't doing when the church began?

To find what "new thing" God is doing, one must first complete a contemplative and centering prayer. Only then will you be able to hear the rhythm, the rhythm of heaven.

[houston]

Lol

[seguidordejesus]

God forbid we contemplate. Better to jump up and down and run the backs of pews - saves us from thinking.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

God forbid we contemplate. Better to jump up and down and run the backs of pews - saves us from thinking.

Have you seen someone run the backs of pews?

[n david]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

God forbid we contemplate. Better to jump up and down and run the backs of pews - saves us from thinking.

Were this only about "Be still and know..." I wouldn't have an issue with it. Unfortunately, it's much more than that. It's about divine self, not God.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Have you seen someone run the backs of pews?

Not successfully, no

[Michael The Disciple]

I have seen the Pastor at our Freewill Baptist Church run the pews back in 1975.

[votivesoul]

I would be very careful in calling anything satanic. We may not care for certain types of Christian music, or we may believe some of the lyrics don't jive with our understanding of the Holy Scriptures, or we may believe that the singers and performers are in false doctrine, and all of that, but to call the video and its contents satanic, or seemingly so, is a line I would not recommend crossing.

Having listened to some of the more horrible satanic music that exists in the world (e.g. Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, Nine Inch Nails, A Perfect Circle, Godsmack, Skunk Anansie, One Minute Silence, Stabbing Westward, Tool, Crossbreed, Mushroom Head, Godhead, The Union Underground, Mudvayne, Stain'd, and a host of other bands no one here has likely heard of), I can tell you there is a major difference between those musicians and singers who are trying but perhaps not successfully glorifying God, according to our understanding of what it means to glorify God, and those who are intentionally God-hating anti-christs intent on exalting Satan.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I would be very careful in calling anything satanic. We may not care for certain types of Christian music, or we may believe some of the lyrics don't jive with our understanding of the Holy Scriptures, or we may believe that the singers and performers are in false doctrine, and all of that, but to call the video and its contents satanic, or seemingly so, is a line I would not recommend crossing.

Having listened to some of the more horrible satanic music that exists in the world (e.g. Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, Nine Inch Nails, A Perfect Circle, Godsmack, Skunk Anansie, One Minute Silence, Stabbing Westward, Tool, Crossbreed, Mushroom Head, Godhead, The Union Underground, Mudvayne, Stain'd, and a host of other bands no one here has likely heard of), I can tell you there is a major difference between those musicians and singers who are trying but perhaps not successfully glorifying God, according to our understanding of what it means to glorify God, and those who are intentionally God-hating anti-christs intent on exalting Satan.

When I came into Christianity, it was through and in a Oneness Pentecostal Church. It's the only form, for lack of a better word, of Christianity I have ever known.

I recall in those early days how many people were obsessed with and seemingly always jamming out to Kirk Franklin's "Revolution" in which he specifically and literally calls Jesus the "Second Person in the Trinity".

Maybe no one here likes or liked that song back in the day, but that's not the point. The point is, what is and what is not satanic or Godly is often in the minds of the hearers and not actually in the reality of the content of a song, even if specifically stated.

An example: Years ago, as a new convert, I went over to my mom's house, and she was listening to some music. The singer was speaking in tongues as I came into the house. Right away, the Spirit said to me, "He's not saved".

I didn't know who the singer was. I asked my mom and it turned out to be Donnie McClurken (sp???). I had no idea who he was or what his doctrines were or his practices. All I had was me hearing him speaking in tongues, real tongues of the Holy Spirit, and what God had said to me.

I fact-checked him and found out what he believed and etc., as of back then, and I realized why God had spoken to me.

It didn't have anything to do with the song; it had to do with the singer. This is a key point. I've heard many Apostolics make use of R. Kelly's "I Believe I Can Fly", in some form or another. Never mind the man is a pedophile who video-tapped himself raping an underage teenage girl.

So, the point being, in some places we claim absolute and sovereign discernment, but in other places, we're completely blind and stunted in our ability to discern a thing.

This convinces me all such "discernment" is in the mind of the one claiming to have discernment, as it pertains to music.

Anyone remember the controversy that surrounded Plan: Be? Or how about Tonex?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes you would disagree with Misty and with me. I see it the same way she does.

That is the sort of reasoning that allows for barking like dogs, fire tunnels, twitching like one has turrets, etc. and any new gimmick, like turning your head as fast as you can back and forth while prophesying. When you ask for verification in the Word they say it's not in the word. It's a new thing.

Leave that with Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley and the other charismaniacs. they can enjoy their adultery and behind the scenes sinning.

There's not a new dispensation today since Acts, and the new age movement is not something we can learn from despite the charismatic claims.