Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

yes, i heard that and agree--which does not mean that Ali is in hell. And yes, i am not denying that there are (also) passages in the Qur'an that are troubling. But all it takes is one Muslim who listens to God instead of Muslim dogma to make you wrong. More importantly, if you cannot even reconcile with those using the same Book as you, what is the point of looking for division elsewhere? It strikes me as a divorced person attempting to be a marriage counselor, wadr.

You are judging dogma--and a foreign dogma at that, for which you have no cultural context--when God plainly states that He does not judge like you do, and examines the heart of a person. So you can say "i am not condemning" all you like, but when you follow that with "All Catholics are lost," or any other label that is not "evil-doers" or "sinners" or whatever, when you do not know, you are rejecting God's Grace, and you will be judged to be sanctimonious and a hypocrite, and i don't mean in some future judgement, which Scripture may also not always mean either. You are being sanctimonious and hypocritical right now, and have been judged.

So you would have to prove that a Muslim believes that, and then you would have to prove that it means the same thing to them that it does to you, and then you would have to prove that this condemns them in God's eyes, and somewhere along the line you would have to note that you are in a sense living in sin, searching for others' sins, trying to define sin for a foreigner, and showing yourself to be a hypocrite in the process.

Might some or most Catholics or Muslims be lost? Certainly, but that is hardly the point. You yourself are not yet saved, and i can prove it with Scripture; but you are being sanctimonious and judgemental, and the fact that you are so sure--when a poll will tell you that your brethren feel otherwise--is another strong indication, and the final nail might be that you have come all the way to my position, essentially, with "sects don't matter, the heart matters," even if you are still trying to assert "All Catholics are lost," which after all is just a different sect, so i'm not sure how to even make sense of that.

So it is you who is lost--and i am not condemning you, of course, because i read this in Scripture; Judge not, lest you be judged et al, tra-la.