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View Poll Results: True or False: Grace is Harder than Law?
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08-07-2016, 03:08 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
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Originally Posted by shazeep
of course then you have negated vast swaths of Scripture--at least imo;
21So if anyone purifies himself from anything dishonorable, he will be a special instrument, set apart, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
22Flee from youthful passions, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
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How have I negated anything? My position is not that any particular person HAS obeyed God in everything, only that the Calvinist-Arminian doctrine of natural inability is a post-Biblical concept and therefore needs to be re-evaluated.
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08-07-2016, 04:06 PM
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
ah, poorly worded, sorry, that was for Jito
Last edited by shazeep; 08-07-2016 at 04:36 PM.
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08-07-2016, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Esaias
"Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
"Thou knowest the commandments..."
"All these I have kept from my youth..."
Then Jesus beholding him was angry with him for lying, because NOBODY could POSSIBLY keep the commandments in any consistent manner, and this guy was try- OOPS! That's not quite how it reads, is it?
Perhaps we need to re evaluate some of our concepts?
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Jesus knew the man never got there point and purpose of law. Nobody can keep it. So he took it another step to get the man there. Go sell all he had and give to poor people. Finally the man got what law should have told him. With man it's impossible. Not with God.
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08-07-2016, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Esaias
How have I negated anything? My position is not that any particular person HAS obeyed God in everything, only that the Calvinist-Arminian doctrine of natural inability is a post-Biblical concept and therefore needs to be re-evaluated.
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I got the view from my own studies.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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08-07-2016, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shazeep
ya, Christ even directly said as much, there is but one thing you lack... so then, he is not yet an ideal example, and he may never be, but the path for him is clear, and it is his choice. However, this can also be viewed as "here is someone who lacks only one thing, at the moment," implying others in the same boat, and further implications that one is left to draw for themselves--but i think it is going to be very hard to defend "therefore no one can do it" in light of other Scripture. Job passed that test imo.
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Already covered that. None are righteous.. no not one.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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08-07-2016, 11:16 PM
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
That might be a reference to the current day, maybe? We know that Job was, the Bible says so, and i'm pretty sure i can make a case for Paul too. Not saying either led a sinless life, but that is not the point. God is not commanding you to do something that is impossible. ...along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
Last edited by shazeep; 08-07-2016 at 11:21 PM.
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08-08-2016, 02:06 AM
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
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Originally Posted by Esaias
"Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
"Thou knowest the commandments..."
"All these I have kept from my youth..."
Then Jesus beholding him was angry with him for lying, because NOBODY could POSSIBLY keep the commandments in any consistent manner, and this guy was try- OOPS! That's not quite how it reads, is it?
Perhaps we need to re evaluate some of our concepts?
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I fail to see how this answered my question.
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08-08-2016, 04:59 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
I fail to see how this answered my question.
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Perhaps the question assumes things that need to be re-examined?
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08-08-2016, 06:43 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Perhaps the question assumes things that need to be re-examined?
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Good point.
Jesus never corrected the rich man that he couldn't keep the law.
Very good Esaiasan your Kung Fu is very good. 
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08-08-2016, 07:17 AM
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Re: True or False: Grace is harder than Law
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Originally Posted by shazeep
That might be a reference to the current day, maybe? We know that Job was, the Bible says so, and i'm pretty sure i can make a case for Paul too. Not saying either led a sinless life, but that is not the point. God is not commanding you to do something that is impossible. ...along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
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Sin is transgression of the law. So a sinless life is never a transgression. Like the Bible says, What law could not do, God did through Christ. Like Jeremiah foretold, the law had a fault. People could not continue in it.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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