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Esaias · #21 07-19-2015, 10:40 PM

Speaking of apostles... how many churches has he founded and established? To where was he sent? How was he sent? Was he even sent?

n david · #22 07-20-2015, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Speaking of apostles... how many churches has he founded and established? To where was he sent? How was he sent? Was he even sent?

I've read a few of his articles and watched many of his videos, and my understanding is he does not found or establish "churches." He believes the early church of Acts is not reflected in modern churches.

What he does is go around the streets of Denmark, and other countries, praying for people to be healed, teaching the Gospel and baptizing people wherever there's water. He's mentioned baptizing people in lakes, rivers, bathtubs, fountains, etc. He also teaches a "Luke 10" and "Kickstart" seminar where individuals go to Denmark, either for 3 months or a few weeks, to receive instruction on how he does his ministry and to go out in the streets to do it themselves.

Were I not married with 3 children, I would seriously consider going there for one of the seminars. Thankfully he has the Pioneer School videos on YouTube which allows me to at least listen to his teaching without having to travel around the globe.

Esaias · #23 07-20-2015, 01:43 PM

If he believes in Oneness, Jesus name baptism, and the Holy Ghost with tongues... why is he a Lutheran?

n david · #24 07-20-2015, 01:48 PM

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If he believes in Oneness, Jesus name baptism, and the Holy Ghost with tongues... why is he a Lutheran?

I haven't heard him call himself Lutheran. I believe he came from a Lutheran church, but I don't believe he calls himself a Lutheran. I may have missed it though.

n david · #25 07-20-2015, 02:41 PM

Watching Lesson 19 just now and he just said, "We are not called to build churches, we are called to make disciples."

votivesoul · #26 07-20-2015, 03:31 PM

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Does he believe in the God Squad? I would find it hard to believe an apostle would be confused about who Jesus is...?

The calling into apostleship isn't determined by Theology or Christology, but by the grace of God as He deems necessary.

Of the 12 apostles, only Simon Peter had the revelation of who Jesus was: the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Did this make the other 11 not apostles for not having the revelation of who Jesus truly was? Did the signs and wonders given to them to do not count because the Father hadn't revealed the truth of Jesus to them yet?

Whether or not this man's Theology or Christology is elegant, perfectly accurate, or compatible to our own doesn't disallow him from being whatever God has called him to be, up to and including being an apostle (if in fact that's the case).

n david · #27 07-26-2016, 02:55 PM

Peter Ahlman, from The Last Reformation in Denmark, will be here in the Phoenix area August 11th - 16th, teaching the Pioneer School and "kickstarting" people to begin making disciples.

I'm interested in learning more about this group. I've heard and seen good things, and also some weird things. My friend was "kickstarted" in Kansas City and spends his days off work, going around the city praying, baptizing and healing people. He wanted me to meet (online) a friend of his who has blown into the ear of people to heal them. Another of his acquaintances has seeing healings by putting his shadow over them (like Peter in Acts). These type of things make me very skeptical. IMO, God will heal without the weird blowing in ears or shadows.

Hoping this isn't a bunch of kooks and weirdness, but we'll see.

n david · #28 08-08-2016, 10:21 AM

I will be meeting with people from Sweden, China, Demark and Canada this weekend at the Last Reformation Arizona gathering. I have mixed feelings about this. I've been exchanging emails with a man from here, who seems to be a genuine and good man. I've shared with him my reservations of some associated with TLR.

Example: one man in KC claims healing has occurred after blowing in the sick/diseased person's ear. Another man in Canada has seen healings by "placing his shadow" on people. This morning, I watched a video of a man from China whose friend "creates invisible bubbles" after which people walk through, they are healed. This man from China, who will be here this weekend, simply stands next to people and prays silently without touching the person or praying audibly. After the person says they're healed and asks what he did, he tells them he prayed in the Name of Jesus for their healing and shares the gospel with them. Sometimes, he points at the person and just stands there, eyes open, praying silently.

Granted, these are only three or four of a number of people who walk the streets each day, healing the sick, baptizing people and hearing them filled with the Holy Ghost. I'm just cautious of this kind of stuff. God will heal without bubbles, ear blowing, shadows, etc. I don't understand why people go off the deep end like this.

I've desired to see and be a part of something like this for years. Watching the Pioneer School videos gave me hope that it was possible. Yet, the more I see videos like this, the less I want to drive an hour to Glendale to meet with this group.

Monterrey · #29 08-08-2016, 11:09 AM

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I will try to listen to this perhaps later tonight. Sounds interesting. He probably won't last long in the org he is in. Maybe you might reach out to him?

You are not kidding there!

We have come into contact with a lutheran pastor in the Detroit MI area who has come to the understanding of Jesus name Baptism, has baptized over 2/3 of the congregation and is under extreme pressure from his synod to stop.

About 1/3 of the congregation have received the HG with tongues.

He told us this week that the Lutheran church holds the mortgage on his home and because he will not budge they have started proceedings to end his lien on his home.

n david · #30 08-08-2016, 11:18 AM

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You are not kidding there!

We have come into contact with a lutheran pastor in the Detroit MI area who has come to the understanding of Jesus name Baptism, has baptized over 2/3 of the congregation and is under extreme pressure from his synod to stop.

About 1/3 of the congregation have received the HG with tongues.

He told us this week that the Lutheran church holds the mortgage on his home and because he will not budge they have started proceedings to end his lien on his home.

That's awesome!

I just remembered, one of the videos I saw this morning was shot in front of a Lutheran Church. There was no mention of it, specifically, it was just in the background.