I have two guide posts that drive my answer to this question... 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
This drives me to share the gospel. I don't want the lost to be lost
Then John 10:16
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
This gives me the comfort that no matter my efforts, God has his own plan in his own way.
I am required to take the gospel he has given me to every place I can. To share his word as best I can in all the ways I can.
But it is God that saves. not me.
Techncally speaking, the other sheep were the gentiles.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
This drives me to share the gospel. I don't want the lost to be lost.
then you are compelled to consider the extent to which you are calling others into a system of mutual agreement, verbally binding, and inviting them into making a promise that they do not understand based upon fear, possibly, largely depending upon how the hearer takes you, no matter how sincere you might be.
it does not matter how much you disavow that all i have to do to be considered accepted is agree with you verbally, if that is in fact the truth. And if it is a lie, then tell me at what stage blood is required, skin, to make the contract any different. Is it possible you have been invited into a system of killing people, trampling Christ, putting Him on a t shirt, depending upon how literally they take you at your word that agreeing with you will bring them salvation, if even some few make it out? Is it at all possible that some more generous understanding of this fulfills the law and prophets might envision a better system where no words need be spoken, or some other interpretation of that--because that seems like a lot to rationalize away with all due respect. Hmm? Is it even possible, is all i'm asking.
im sorry bro. we have no bases of understanding. I am sad for you.
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You cannot answer 'is it possible?' but you are sad for me, standing up for Christ? Ok, i understand. You can certainly think about it, maybe draw your own parallels, to those you know who say 'they are lost' when they do not know, and claim the same faith as you though.
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Ferd
...technically.... but then there are those stories like the Urshans that found Jesus Name baptism without help...
we knew nothing about them. I figure Gods ways are higher than mine.
I just just saying, do your best, let God do the rest.
Were the Urshans saved from among the Jews, or among the Gentiles?
Or are you intimating that they are a third element?
Thought it was the Natives that were visited by Jesus in the Mormon story book.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Were the Urshans saved from among the Jews, or among the Gentiles?
Or are you intimating that they are a third element?
im not intimating anything.... other than that God has his own way.
God has given me a precious gift in the Oneness Doctrine and in the Water Spirit Doctrine. in every case, and at all times, that is the message I share. That is all I know when asked "what must I do"...
i am compelled.... but I will never discount what God does where I cannot go...
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You cannot answer 'is it possible?' but you are sad for me, standing up for Christ? Ok, i understand. You can certainly think about it, maybe draw your own parallels, to those you know who say 'they are lost' when they do not know, and claim the same faith as you though.
you aren't standing up for Christ. you are standing up for your own rebellion.
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