Those who never heard about Jesus?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jito463

*sigh*

No, we teach that everyone is lost who doesn't follow the Bible's teaching for salvation. Loving your neighbor and loving God is important, but it doesn't save you. How many times must we repeat this, to get it through to you?

as often as you like, it is still a lie, wadr, which is why your best boy has to negate every saying of Christ. You have assumed God's place, when you assume to judge others' hearts, that you have never met. What you teach is satanic, sorry, if it leads you to "no one comes to the Father but by me," and "everyone else is lost but us True Believers (tm)," as even the lightest independent reflection of Scripture will verify.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by shazeep

as often as you like, it is still a lie, wadr, which is why your best boy has to negate every saying of Christ. You have assumed God's place, when you assume to judge others' hearts, that you have never met. What you teach is satanic, sorry, if it leads you to "no one comes to the Father but by me," and "everyone else is lost but us True Believers (tm)," as even the lightest independent reflection of Scripture will verify.

And back on ignore you go. You've been shown plenty of Scripture that proves what is needed for salvation, but you continually ignore it. You also make wild claims (such as teaching the Biblical plan of salvation is satanic ), without even trying to back it up with Scripture. And so, I will in turn ignore you.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jito463

And back on ignore you go. You've been shown plenty of Scripture that proves what is needed for salvation, but you continually ignore it. You also make wild claims (such as teaching the Biblical plan of salvation is satanic ), without even trying to back it up with Scripture. And so, I will in turn ignore you.

the Biblical plan of salvation is not what OP carefully indoctrinates the proselytized into, and you cannot name a single soul who ever came to the OP pov on their own; all were led into that belief. I have plenty of proof from your own sects lips now, if you would like to face it. Have a nice day.

[shazeep]

another way to put this is that your first love--which obviously did not include 'hate your neighbor,' hopefully--has been superceded by doctrine that feeds your ego by suggesting that one can merely accept Christ with their mouth to allay the fear of hell that was being taken advantage of in the first place. This may be evidenced by always talking about other peoples' sin, or sin in general, laying the foundation anew, over and over, never a creative conversation. Christ is made into an icon, all of His Word is belittled or negated, and i have plenty of evidence for this as well.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

the Biblical plan of salvation is not what OP carefully indoctrinates the proselytized into, and you cannot name a single soul who ever came to the OP pov on their own; all were led into that belief. I have plenty of proof from your own sects lips now, if you would like to face it. Have a nice day.

The Bible directly speaks of how one comes to know the gospel, and it is NOT by coming to on one's own.

Romans 10:13-15 KJV For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


I will say this. From the word of God, the Bible, I have proposed what I believe it teaches about the issue. Is there a chance I am wrong Of course. God may choose to do anything He wants aside from what I believe the Word says. I do not believe God cannot do what He wants to do apart from what I believe His word says. Could He do something with people who don't know Christ? Sure. He could do anything. I don't know what it would be. But to the best of my study abilities I have simply proposed what I feel He will do. But by no means must God stick to what I feel about it all. God is God, not me.

But the idea that the gospel must be wrong if people cannot be led to it on their own is scripturally wrong. The Bible says they cannot hear without a preacher. ANd that is speaking about salvation.

[thephnxman]

Those who have never heard the gospel that saves.

Beloved, what does "election" mean to you? Is it possible that it applies
to those who have NEVER heard the gospel that saves; or perhaps, have
only heard a perverted version?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

All of the above is just repeating Leviticus 19:9-18, what is pretty interesting is that you think it was all new and innovative? It wasn't, because if Rabbi Hillel the Elder had the very same conclusion. What my issue is that love your neighbor doesn't supercede the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the point of allowing Muslims access through the strait gate and the narrow path.

Do you agree?

Yes, I agree.

Living a life dedicated to loving God and one's neighbor is essentially the sanctifying life of a born again believer. While the unsaved might be able to seek to love their religion's "god" and love others, it isn't the same.

[shazeep]

nonetheless we are told that good fruit comes from good trees, and i suggest that repentance is the last thing a false god would engender in its followers.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Those who have never heard the gospel that saves.

Beloved, what does "election" mean to you? Is it possible that it applies
to those who have NEVER heard the gospel that saves; or perhaps, have
only heard a perverted version?

i would again direct you to Paul's exposition in Corinthians about how he purposely avoided coming to agreements with the men of his era, and the Scriptures that tell us that the Good News has been disseminated to all creation. I don't believe that these negate the office of preacher, however, but to my mind "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things" and "everyone who does not believe like me is going to hell, regardless of their fruit" are anathema.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jito463

And back on ignore you go. You've been shown plenty of Scripture that proves what is needed for salvation, but you continually ignore it. You also make wild claims (such as teaching the Biblical plan of salvation is satanic ), without even trying to back it up with Scripture. And so, I will in turn ignore you.

you might also examine some of your statements here--if you want to ignore me, it does not require a public profession. "blahblah" is also indicative of something other than you may be ready to admit. These are meant to denigrate me, yes? Bad enough--even if i am not immune to stuff like this either--but the point may be that you have no problem with me if i say "Muslims are all lost," essentially gossiping about someone i don't know, but you cannot abide discussing a Scriptural concept? Or any concept, for that matter? Backed up with Scripture, red-letter, that your side is reasoning away?

And please note that i have allowed that i know many people who ascribe to OP that reflect Christ--but they are not saying that people they have never met are doomed.

[shazeep]

understand this: when i am judged for being too inclusive, i get to say "i was following the Word of Christ, as best i was able, and as a result i was able to lead many people to Scripture who had dismissed It." Your defense for condemning legions whom you do not know is going to be...rather hollow, is it not? "I trusted the doctrines some guys assured me was what you meant, even if they had to nullify Christ to get there."