You not preaching holiness till you've named it!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Cracker Barrel

Response..

Just like polygamy was practiced. Today you could not be saved, outside of complete repentance.

Fail.

Something like jewelry not being a sin to becoming a sin is simply false. So you are saying it was not a sin for David to have many wives but it is now in the new covenant?

Polygamy is not a godly picture of a spiritual good thing like jewelry is.

Things that were permissible then. We're not Gods perfect will.

Jewelry does not fit that picture. Otherwise, polygamy would be used in the new testament to illustrate a good spiritual thing, when it is not.

But he allowed them to happen to give us an example. Thus the son of the bond woman and the son of the free..
A type and shadow of why we are to be grafted into the true son and not to the son of perdition.
Because this was practiced then, shall we allow it now even though the word according to the New Testament directly teaches otherwise?
Nay I say!?!?

You are talking apples and oranges.

[FlamingZword]

Revelation
"I saw seven golden lampstands"
" with a golden sash around his chest"
"the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne."
"crowns of gold on their heads."
"golden bowls full of incense"
and so on.

Of course we can not forget the description of the Holy City.

It seems that heaven itself is not adverse to having jewelry around.
If plenty of jewelry is mention as being in heaven, then how could it possibly be sinful, since nothing sinful can be in heaven.

[Cracker Barrel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Fail.

Something like jewelry not being a sin to becoming a sin is simply false. So you are saying it was not a sin for David to have many wives but it is now in the new covenant?

Polygamy is not a godly picture of a spiritual good thing like jewelry is.



Jewelry does not fit that picture. Otherwise, polygamy would be used in the new testament to illustrate a good spiritual thing, when it is not.



You are talking apples and oranges.

Just like polygamy was a snare to the founding fathers and the Kings of Judah, so Was jewelry.
It always became a golden calf replacement to God's people.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Revelation
"I saw seven golden lampstands"
" with a golden sash around his chest"
"the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne."
"crowns of gold on their heads."
"golden bowls full of incense"
and so on.

Of course we can not forget the description of the Holy City.

It seems that heaven itself is not adverse to having jewelry around.
If plenty of jewelry is mention as being in heaven, then how could it possibly be sinful, since nothing sinful can be in heaven.

To say it is sinful is to say the prodigal son's gold ring is sinful. Nice sinful gift from the Father.

Why do we bother? lol

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Cracker Barrel

Just like polygamy was a snare to the founding fathers and the Kings of Judah, so Was jewelry.
It always became a golden calf replacement to God's people.

So God uses a golden calf replacement to illustrate his love for the church! Gotcha!

[Cracker Barrel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So God uses a golden calf replacement to illustrate his love for the church! Gotcha!

The jewels of ornamentation of the body in the old became the jewels of the heart today.

The marriage of polygamy and the wife in whom God chose in the old is compared the devotion of da Saint to the bridegroom today. And the Acts2:38 bride he wants.

Exodus 20:3
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me..

Beautiful I say!

[Cracker Barrel]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Revelation
"I saw seven golden lampstands"
" with a golden sash around his chest"
"the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne."
"crowns of gold on their heads."
"golden bowls full of incense"
and so on.

Of course we can not forget the description of the Holy City.

It seems that heaven itself is not adverse to having jewelry around.
If plenty of jewelry is mention as being in heaven, then how could it possibly be sinful, since nothing sinful can be in heaven.

Wowii! I didnt know you prederist believe anything literal.!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Cracker Barrel

The jewels of ornamentation of the body in the old became the jewels of the heart today.

The marriage of polygamy and the wife in whom God chose in the old is compared the devotion of da Saint to the bridegroom today. And the Acts2:38 bride he wants.

Exodus 20:3
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me..

Beautiful I say!

So would it be beautiful to use a homosexual relationship and illustrate God's love for the church?

[good samaritan]

Does God want us to wear Jewelry?

Many may would say that he doesn't care, but it is a matter of the heart. If God didn't care about adorning with jewelry than why would he adorn Israel with Jewelry. It seems to me that, if God desired Israel to be adorned with jewelry to show his love, then he would want us to be adorned as well. Thus God wants us to wear jewelry to show his blessings.

IMO, God was not literally adorning Israel with jewels, but instead was figuratively demonstrating his hand of blessing upon them. Jewels, whether worn or possessed, were a sign of prosperity and to be God's blessings. Thank God we no longer walk in darkness, but we now realize that the treasures we should lay up are in heaven and not on earth.

The argument is being made that moderation is the key and the condition of a person's heart. The outward adorning of a person often reveals the heart of a person. I am not saying it is the only indicator, but it is an indicator. Who determines how much is moderate? I teach against drinking alcohol, although the scripture only forbids drunkenness. I may be wrong, but I don't think people will go hell for not drinking. I would rather abstain from drugs and alcohol than be brought under it's control. Jewelry is also can take hold on people's lives. That maybe comical to some, but they may also realize one day that their prosperity became their curse. We cannot serve God and Mammon.

I am probably not going to stand behind the pulpit and come crashing down on jewelry in our church, but I am going to teach about it. I too feel it is a matter of the heart and unless peoples take care of the heart we are wasting time just hounding about rules. There are much bigger fish to fry, but I still would not want to stand on the side of advocating adorning ourselves with jewelry.

The jewels referenced in the old testament where only used by God as shadows and illustration. We cannot look back in the old testament and say, "God let the children do it". We live in a better covenant. We can go round and round the mulberry bush about 1 Peter 3:3. I take it at face value and the references to jewels in OT doesn't compromise that for me. Although, I do think there are much bigger fish to fry.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So would it be beautiful to use a homosexual relationship and illustrate God's love for the church?

Isaiah 20:2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. 3 And the Lord said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot

With your interpretion of scripture I guess since God commanded Isaiah to walk naked then we cannot preach against modesty literally. We must only be modest in out hearts.