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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Brother, if you can find a single post. ONE where I condemn oneness people to hell. Those who keep standards, those who teach tithing, or any outspoken oneness Pentecostal preacher to hell or call them apostate, or insult their person, please post it. I've got 4,700 posts on here.

I judge your DOCTRINE to be in error. I judge it to be mistaken. Judging a doctrine and judging a person are two different things. I don't think you want to make the distinction because if you do the false narrative you are tying ot keep up crumbles.

Jason political correctness and religion doesn't work.

If the blind follow the blind no one falls into a ditch

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

One of the reasons I don't condemn all oneness people. On the contrary I have defended them before people like James White and John MacArthur. Sister you are an inspiration.

I know from experience there are not only sincere people within the oneness Pentecostal movement, but many true Christians in my opinion. That said it is strange that when you leave the meanest people are often preachers.

I think the Clintons should use you as a Press Secretary.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

I judge your DOCTRINE to be in error. I judge it to be mistaken. Judging a doctrine and judging a person are two different things. I don't think you want to make the distinction because if you do the false narrative you are tying ot keep up crumbles.

So how much erroneous doctrine can a person be in and still make heaven their home?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason B

The phonyness of the ultra con love is always manifest when someone leaves their fold. You guys see it as standing for the old paths and uncompromising, everyone else sees it as emulations, jealousy, bitterness and hatred. The UCs true spirit and true love is,manifest when someone leaves. Typically thats when the mask is ripped off. Its sad.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

And your's is manifested at those who are still involved in the movement you left. Just as long as they fly under your radar they are cool, but when they point out the greasy spot on your backside? Good night, gloves are off and its time to trample the bad UC.

I still maintain friendships with many within the movement. I still have pictures in my house of my first pastor and his wife, and another pastor and his family, who I maintain a friendship with to this day. Over the summer I adopted two boys. I gave the oldest one the middle name "Kenneth" in honor of my pastor. I left the movement 6 years ago. I visited a UPC church on 5 occasions over the summer. Yes I love the people. No, I don't believe the doctrine. And even though it doesn't fit the narrative, I'm not bitter, sorry.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Isn't it ironic that those who leave are always tagged as "bitter", but in reality it seems the ones who seem bitter are those who choose to stay. Seemingly jealous over another mans freedom, while they themselves languish in bondage? And they know they want out, they know they want freedom, but fear the opinions of peers, and the humility that comes from admitting we were wrong all those years.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The ones who choose to what? The ones who choose to stay? You mean they made the wrong choice? Oh, that's because you made the right choice and the ones who stayed aren't as smart as you? Or they won't pay attention to your use of the scripture, and therefore they are bitter.

I'm saying that there seems to be jealousy over the freedom to be had by those who are not willing to take that step, typically because they are motivated by fear. Fear of what others thing, fear of being forever cast off to hell, the "better safe than sorry mindset" which keeps so many people in bondage to legalism. And by "the ones" I am speaking of those who are mean spirited and angry at those who leave. Lashing out at other for a freedom and peace they desire, but are too afraid to leave the comforts of the group.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So how much erroneous doctrine can a person be in and still make heaven their home?

We've already been through that:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=38

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

I still maintain friendships with many within the movement. I still have pictures in my house of my first pastor and his wife, and another pastor and his family, who I maintain a friendship with to this day. Over the summer I adopted two boys. I gave the oldest one the middle name "Kenneth" in honor of my pastor. I left the movement 6 years ago. I visited a UPC church on 5 occasions over the summer. Yes I love the people. No, I don't believe the doctrine. And even though it doesn't fit the narrative, I'm not bitter, sorry.

Jason, like I posted the One Godders can hang out and all is cool, but once they voice their opinions then it's duke city? Or you just believe two can walk together even while they disagree? Clintons need your kind of political correctness.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I'm saying that there seems to be

Say what?!?!

It seems to be!

Wait a minute, we were called the self righteous good ole boys, no love, big ole haters. Now it only seems to be? Bro, I'm feeling sorry for you in a big way.

Originally Posted by Jason B

jealousy over the freedom to be had by those who are not willing to take that step, typically because they are motivated by fear.

Let's see....motivated by fear? Hmmm, I believe in what kind of eschatology?

Wow, Jason where do you get this stuff?

Originally Posted by Jason B

Fear of what others thing,

Yeah, exactly...what others thing.

Yeah buddy.

Originally Posted by Jason B

fear of being forever cast off to hell, the "better safe than sorry mindset" which keeps so many people in bondage to legalism.

How about in bondage to some sort of pseudo political correctness.

Originally Posted by Jason B

And by "the ones" I am speaking of those who are mean spirited and angry at those who leave.

But what about the ugly mean spirited ones who are angry at those who stay?

Originally Posted by Jason B

Lashing out at other for a freedom and peace they desire, but are too afraid to leave the comforts of the group.

I guess that sounds so good to you that has become your truth concerning the Apostolics who believe in standards. To the point when they start to voice their beliefs you have to shut them up? Because after all they are in gross error, and therefore they need to see it like you do? But you do it in a more loving way, by telling them they are good ole boys, holier than thou, retards who need to learn how to use the invention of the wheel.

Whatever.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

We've already been through that:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=38

You never answered it.

The Clintons do need you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

This whole post is nonsense and spin that would make the Clinton campaign blush.....

It got you going for two more pages of the thread.

Edward Bernays would be proud.

[Evang.Benincasa]

One God or Trinity?

Water Baptism in Jesus name or hell?

Receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of tongues?

[Jason B]

Most of what you said merits no further response, but a couple things I will address:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I guess that removes you from being the watchman on the wall. Because when the sword is coming you just believe it does no harm to the victim. You just can't bring yourself to calling a spade a spade after I tagged your lack of brotherly kindness in the rebuttal to my first post? Not all the time, means that it may be some times or less. Therefore your accusation of criminal behavior of these people are unfounded. But the truth is that you are just a disgruntled ex member who wants to keep the fight hot. Right Jason?

Simply put, "calling a spade a spade" is simply a cover for passing judgment on other Christians. There is no doubt a warning to be heeded, and that warning is the call to repentance from sin and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ. This is the gospel. This is what you guys miss with all your fear mongering. It's not that ya'll are totally devoid of the gospel but that ya'll take the gospel and add a wardrobe to it, and can't distinguish the one from the other, believing that it is all one unified whole. This is error. will it result in damnation? God knows. Legalism is condemned strongly in Galatians, it is certainly dangerous--BUT even when at least some of the Galatians were carried away with legalism, Paul spoke to them as brothers, though sternly rebuking their foolishness and calling them to repentance. All I'm going to do is preach Christ crucified and that God commands all men everywhere to repent for He has set a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness. I do not understand how you equate telling people about the just wrath of a righteous God with "the sword does no harm." You obviously have no idea what I believe, only what you make me to believe, so you can knock down a strawman. Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ, and that only in repentance from sin (as opposed to mere confession).

My hope is built on nothing less that Jesus blood and righteousness.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

And therefore your hatred comes out for those who stayed behind. Remember they didn't choose wisely? How funny.

Nah. It's obvious a shift is taking place within the movement, and that God is drawing a large number of people out of the movement into a more complete Christianity. I don't pity those who "stayed behind", God works through people in his own time. My personal journey was over 8 years, but I never realized I was leaving until the very end. I have no doubt that God is at work in the lives of those who belong to Him. One of the great freedoms I've found is that I don't have to play God anymore. He will work out His own purposes according to the council of His own will, without need for my suggestions on how, when, and why.